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Post by Radchenister on Mar 7, 2016 23:30:36 GMT
That's the ticket, then just ride it and give it time to settle as you'll be adjusting to it as well - I notice the saddle, bar drop and saddle height are slightly different when getting off my T3 turbo set up (main use at the mo') and onto road bike (occasional use) - at present the road bike's not feeling like it did in summer but I've not adjusted anything other than a new saddle, that's barely different, it's being used to the position that's the only real difference. Minute variances in bar angle can effect the feel as well, don't need to obsess about it but can nudge it about just a bit every now and then, remembering that imaginary ball idea again, you're after a neutral feel in the wrists. I would be surprised if you need to start buying a new seat post etc, it should work out fine with a little patience and jiggery pokery, there's loads of variance in standard issue bike parts. Also surprised if the saddle won't eventually pan out OK either, similarly to bars, just 1 or 2 degrees on the saddle makes a difference, as does a few mm's fore / aft to get the sit bones planted properly. You could pay a bike fitter, or you could just make bike fit your new hobby and save a few quid, simply dial the mindset into it more and tune it all up yourself over time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 23:40:30 GMT
I only pay attention to the seat post because it is different to what I had used on the T3. I think the setback is 15mm. Not unsubstantial at all. I have always had the saddle all the way forward. I know fore/aft isn't intended to sort reach but being seated 15mm further back is going to have an effect in reach if other parameters are similar.
Will sort a plum line check this week when I have some helping hands around. I can work on any reach issues after that.
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Post by Radchenister on Mar 7, 2016 23:50:46 GMT
Yep, check knee over spindle, geometry may be different, so not just about seat set back - be wary of skittish back wheel over fast bumpy stuff if ending up too far forwards (I get this if slipping forward on saddle, anchoring back onto rear needed for powering down rough hills), they tend to have these things set up a certain way for a reason.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 7:38:05 GMT
Looking at that photo of G reminds me of something my fitter said when I thought I was not flat enough to in the aero (TT) position. Rider will fall into one of two styles, a flat back like G or Wiggins (perfect example) or a curved/humped back like Armstrong, Tony Martin. If you google image '(rider name) aero position' you'll see what I mean. Most of the images will show then on TT bikes but there will be some on road bikes with normal bars. Flexibility and physiology determine your shape but both work as long as the engine is good enough and the rider can hold the position without sacrificing power output.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 13:06:12 GMT
Out last night. Saddle felt a tad low for most of it. Just a little short on cadence wjen seated. Lifted it a few mm and immediately felt the left hamstring engaging a bit more. Back down another mm at the weekend I think.
I have found the email report from my T3 fit I did a few years ago. It has saddle and reach measurements on it. I'll try and set the Dale to match these and see how that feels.
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Post by Rocket on Mar 10, 2016 16:43:26 GMT
Minor point Ger but do both bikes have the same crank length? If not then you are going to have to interpolate a bit. It's all part of the fun and makes sure various bolts don't seize up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 16:56:47 GMT
Minor point Ger but do both bikes have the same crank length? If not then you are going to have to interpolate a bit. It's all part of the fun and makes sure various bolts don't seize up. Ha let's complicate things further. The fit was completed with the T3 on 175mm cranks. I then replaced these with 170's and adjusted saddle height to compensate. The Dale is on 172.5mm. I can work this out to get the saddle height to match the original fit but this will obviously have a slight impact on reach (which I am less worried about at the minute). Saddle position is key. I still maintain the saddle is too far back on the current post. I feel too far back from the bottom bracket giving me the impression I am extending the legs forward rather than in an up and down piston motion. I'll always be marred with Q factor issues as well. Hips are narrower than the bloody pedal position so I tend to pedal slighlty outwards than straight up and down. I'll live with that as long as it doesn't but my knee again. Have still to do a plum bob test but I expect it will only verify this.
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Post by jondxxx on Mar 10, 2016 19:21:34 GMT
Rather than a plumb Bob how about a screenshot from the turbo video with the cranks horizontal?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 23:50:45 GMT
Rather than a plumb Bob how about a screenshot from the turbo video with the cranks horizontal? I'll try that. I'll need to wait until my next turbo session to make a new video as I've made fither height adjustments since the last one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 14:13:24 GMT
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Post by baz on Mar 23, 2016 19:22:20 GMT
Looks great Ger !!
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 19:12:23 GMT
Now with Fulcrum Quattros. New tyres haven't arrived yet but couldn't resist firing the wheels on. Might get rid of some of the stickers. They certainly look the part but I'll not get out on them until Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 5:00:19 GMT
You mention removing e stickers - I've just picked up some Fulcrum 5's second hand and the owner removed the stickers. I'll pop a photo in the 'what have you bought now thread' when I've given them a little tlc. If I get chance I'll do a side by side shot with my Fulcrum 7's so you can see how they visually compare.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 17:22:25 GMT
A quick snap of my well worn in and filthy bike at the end of todays ride. Bone dry drivetrain.
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Post by beatnik69 on May 9, 2016 12:40:41 GMT
And now it's 'squeaky' clean again!
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