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Post by ianmoss on Aug 5, 2014 12:46:31 GMT
Other than the obvious, real fruit - bananas, sultanas, dates etc, I was wondering what alternatives there were to such things as gels and energy chews. Looking at the ingredients declaration - I think grabbing a block of raw jelly every so often should give you a decent hit of flavor and energy. Comparison of figures per 100g are pretty much the same (massive saving on the pennies!) Hartleys Jelly - 135gHigh 5 Gel - 40g sachetCliff Bloks - 60g
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 13:36:51 GMT
My daughter is a competitive swimmer Ian and takes a block of jelly with her to galas, gives her a nice little boost in energy between races.
Could be a pain to eat on the bike....could maybe pre-cut the cubes and store them in a small plastic tub?
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Post by goffski on Aug 5, 2014 13:54:07 GMT
Made some of John Torodeβs Flapjack (he made them on The Cycle Show the other week) at the weekend. Didn't stick 100% to the recipe but they're pretty damn good! Quite like the idea of blocks of Jelly.
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Post by erictherat on Aug 5, 2014 14:11:12 GMT
As a man on a very limited budget I never buy energy gels etc. My fav foods are: - fruit pastels - tasty, easy to eat - 3 packs for a pound in londis =D
- snickers bars - find they are the most satisfying snack, i do tend to get the empty tummy feel after 4 hours or so - they fill the hole - i find mars bars too sickly, and i love the crunch of the peanuts
- 33p in aldi - malt loaf, or if im lucky there will be a slice of mum recipe homemade boil and bake fruit cake - food of the gods!
- pitta bread with peanut butter and jam, wrapped up in foil, dont get squashed like normal bread
- for rehydration I did a bit of research, and found that you need 2 different salts - sodium (regular salt) and potassium. Lo-salt (sold in supermarkets cheap for folks with kidney problems i believe) is a mix of both. 1/2 teaspoon of lo-salt and 3 teaspoon of sugar in a large bottle. On a long hot day out I put a couple of mixes in little paper wraps in my saddle bags to add to water that I buy on route, and I think it tastes fine too - in fact better than the free high 5 ones i got once, which i found left a horrible synthetic aftertaste.
- and - the obligatory coffee and cake stop.
- oh - my other sustenance is a few cigarettes, but i dont recommend that.
found it's good fuel for me - and tasty too. I cycle for fun and enjoy my snacks too.
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Post by Mehran on Aug 5, 2014 18:18:18 GMT
Being low carb I don't eat sugar(or only little form berrys and the veg) so I take MCT oil before rides and may start taking it with me for longer rides.
MCT stands for Medium-chain triglyceride. its basically an oil which your body does not need to do much work on to use and can be used quickly. It raises your blood ketone levels.
About 15ml every hour would do it for a long ride. its has no taste so you can put it in your coffee
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Post by ianmoss on Aug 5, 2014 21:21:02 GMT
I'm not sure I understand this 'no sugar' thing. Not wanting to start any debate or side taking. It's long being known that the body 'runs' on glycogen, that's my reason for not understanding that lowering the intake can be better...
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Post by Mehran on Aug 5, 2014 23:41:59 GMT
Its like diesel vs petrol...were the human body is like a hybrid, it can use both glucose and fat...at the same time if need be.
When we are doing low intensity stuff we are mostly burning fat. As we start to become more and more active the ratio between fat and glucose burning starts to move over to glucose side...till you reach a point where its all glucoses burning.
So... why low carb? for me is weight management and health....but there is a second benefit.
burning fat is more oxygen efficient and we have a lot more of it. an Average male has 2000 calories stored as glycogen(the stored form of glucose)...but we have 100,000 calories of fat(some of use a little then others...) so no bonking(or less of a bonk)
So why does the body even use glucoses if its more efficient to burn fat? because we can burn glucose without oxygen(for a little while at least). Our bodies have a clever trick that turns glucose into lactic acid, we get less energy out of it but it also means we can expend more energy then we have oxygen for. At some point we have to pay back that oxygen debt. So can only go so far before we have to stop and turn that lactic acid back into glucose.(out of breath)
What low carb diets do, is force your body to become much better at burning fat and pushes that point where it has to switch over glucose at a greater intensity level.
Also remember that a low carb diet is not a no carb diet. my intake maybe much less but it still there when I need it. Its not either or...it both when we need it.
I love the biochemistry and science about this and could talk all day but I hope that makes sense.
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Post by Mehran on Aug 5, 2014 23:59:09 GMT
sorry, forgot about ketones...just to make it a little more complex.
ketones is a third fuel source. When you go very low carb your body makes ketones(out of fatty acids). The ketones that powers your brain(but also other organs) on a very low carb diet is called beta hydroxybutyrate. It also formed from the break down of MCT oil by the liver.
which is why I take MCT oil.
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Post by r0b1et on Aug 5, 2014 23:59:20 GMT
- for rehydration I did a bit of research, and found that you need 2 different salts - sodium (regular salt) and potassium. Lo-salt (sold in supermarkets cheap for folks with kidney problems i believe) is a mix of both.
This is fab... I've been making my own energy drinks for a few months now: for my 750ml bottles, 1oz demerera sugar, pinch of salt and sugar free squash (I use Lidl apple and blackcurrent) to taste - works out amazingly similar to gatorade etc. That has kept me going nicely with the odd cake bar etc. on fairly long rides - but I found a bit of cramp - something I have found before and cured with bananas! So that must have been potassium... I've been trying to find a way of getting the potassium in my drink... and Dr google had only suggested a 1kg pack of this crazy stuff off ebay that looked super dodgy. Lo-salt it shall be.
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Post by Mehran on Aug 6, 2014 0:06:45 GMT
- for rehydration I did a bit of research, and found that you need 2 different salts - sodium (regular salt) and potassium. Lo-salt (sold in supermarkets cheap for folks with kidney problems i believe) is a mix of both.
This is fab... I've been making my own energy drinks for a few months now: for my 750ml bottles, 1oz demerera sugar, pinch of salt and sugar free squash (I use Lidl apple and blackcurrent) to taste - works out amazingly similar to gatorade etc. That has kept me going nicely with the odd cake bar etc. on fairly long rides - but I found a bit of cramp - something I have found before and cured with bananas! So that must have been potassium... I've been trying to find a way of getting the potassium in my drink... and Dr google had only suggested a 1kg pack of this crazy stuff off ebay that looked super dodgy. Lo-salt it shall be. lo-salt is a good tip. I use these at the moment from ebay www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Potassium-200mg-x-100-Tablets-Helps-Blood-Pressure-Cramps-/231237907969?pt=UK_Health_Beauty_Vitamins_Supplements&hash=item35d6da7601
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Post by beatnik69 on Aug 6, 2014 11:20:02 GMT
I like Peanut Tracker bars. Jelly babies are supposed to be good and I've used Fruit Pastilles when running in the past.
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Post by Mehran on Aug 8, 2014 17:57:44 GMT
I feel i have killed this topic some what. but a good tip I got was a small can of rice pudding(with a pull ring) it will be cold but still nice.
Also salted nuts a nice treat as well.
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Post by Rocket on Aug 8, 2014 19:46:59 GMT
I'm glad I had one of these bad boys before today's ascent of Great Dunn Fell and my power meter to moderate my efforts so I didn't go too hard too fast
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Post by ChrisD on Aug 10, 2014 20:40:25 GMT
I'm glad I had one of these bad boys before today's ascent of Great Dunn Fell and my power meter to moderate my efforts so I didn't go too hard too fast Do you think the problem might have been the rice grains swelling due to the reduced pressure at altitude...?
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Post by Rocket on Aug 10, 2014 20:49:56 GMT
I was thinking it was the vapour pressure of the creamy goodness which boiled off at high altitude
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