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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 20:51:27 GMT
Just to throw something else into the mix the MIO 305 with Satnav, cadence and HRM is currently £170 at Halfords. Buy it before the end of play tomorrow and you get £25 off the rice. If you join the British Cycling Bronze pack membership for £9 you get 10% of at Halfords. In summary a MIO 305 with Candace, HRM and 12 months Bronze membership of the British Cycling Club for £140. This is a bargain. Note there is a way to get another £13 off the price of that is you purchase gift vouchers first. The full details of the deal can be found here www.hotukdeals.com/deals/22-off-any-purchase-halfords-1603626
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 20:55:46 GMT
The Garmin GM10 (or something) sensor does cadence & speed in one. It's ANT+ but not sure it it works with other brand units. I bought the June issue of Stuff magazine from one of those market stalls that sell out of date mags for a quid, in it they reviewed the Garmin 810, bryton rider 50 and an iPhone mounted. They got 5, 4 and 4 stars respectively. The bryton was criticised for not being great at navigating on the fly, but great if you preload your route via gpx. It can't search for postcodes or building names it says and that's the biggest inconvenience, but you can get around it by searching for junctions instead. I'll look at the garmin sensor as the bryton dual sensor is forty quid. As it's ANT+ it should work. This is good to hear. I'm not interested in navigating on the fly and bought it specifically for preloading of routes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 20:58:32 GMT
Just to throw something else into the mix the MIO 305 with Satnav, cadence and HRM is currently £170 at Halfords. Buy it before the end of play tomorrow and you get £25 off the rice. If you join the British Cycling Bronze pack membership for £9 you get 10% of at Halfords. In summary a MIO 305 with Candace, HRM and 12 months Bronze membership of the British Cycling Club for £140. This is a bargain. Note there is a way to get another £13 off the price of that is you purchase gift vouchers first. The full details of the deal can be found here www.hotukdeals.com/deals/22-off-any-purchase-halfords-1603626I really liked the mios 'surprise me' feature but the rest of it left me unimpressed going from reviews.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 21:00:56 GMT
I've used both an old fashioned cycle computer along with the GPS at the same time. The results were more or less identical but I kept the cycle computer on for a while to make sure the GPS was bob on. You do get an odd glitch on occasions in wooded areas etc.
I nearly always use the Strava mobile phone app alongside the Bryton GPS. The Strava mobile app sometimes lets me down so I turn to the Bryton to upload the track to Strava.
ps. The Garmin HRM works with the Bryton
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 21:24:53 GMT
I bought the June issue of Stuff magazine from one of those market stalls that sell out of date mags for a quid, in it they reviewed the Garmin 810, bryton rider 50 and an iPhone mounted. They got 5, 4 and 4 stars respectively. Would have liked to have seen that issue, sounds a good test... Not a lot to it really, they basically chose to start in Brecon Beacons and end 40 miles away in Llangennith. They had to do all the navigation on the fly and head off individually.
The iPhone ran out of juice about halfway. Both the others were rated with just the on the fly route plotting on the bryton mentioned as awkward.
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Post by panda on Aug 13, 2013 21:26:26 GMT
I am really keen on the Bryton and had not really looked at the Mio, but at £140 with HRM and Cadence, this looks very good. Does the Mio have turn by turn?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 21:27:31 GMT
The people at Cyclemeter (hardcore iPhone bike comp app) told me when I was asking about some data inaccuracies - caused by sensor placement - that GPS isn't very accurate when it comes to measuring speed. That's why so many bike computers, including Cyclemeter, uses sensor/magnet data. In the case of Cyclemeter, the app takes the reading from the sensor over and above the GPS, even though that is available, for improved accuracy. You and they are not wrong. The GPS chips in bike computers and more so mobile phones all have a trade off when designed; Accuracy vs position lock time vs battery. The fully powered gps modules with antennas used for accuracy over the other two factors I'm sure are spot on. I assume with cycling computers (and mobiles for sure), accuracy is 3rd to battery usage and position lock time for obvious reasons. I would think magnet on the wheel would be pretty accurate, if the manufactures have worked out tyre sizes correctly. Remember deviations in tyre sizes, and tyre wear will put your readings off slightly. This is more of a factor with cars as tyre wear is more evident as is the fact, all manufactures over state your speed to help you stay within speed limits.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 21:31:29 GMT
Just to throw something else into the mix the MIO 305 with Satnav, cadence and HRM is currently £170 at Halfords. Buy it before the end of play tomorrow and you get £25 off the rice. If you join the British Cycling Bronze pack membership for £9 you get 10% of at Halfords. In summary a MIO 305 with Candace, HRM and 12 months Bronze membership of the British Cycling Club for £140. This is a bargain. Note there is a way to get another £13 off the price of that is you purchase gift vouchers first. The full details of the deal can be found here www.hotukdeals.com/deals/22-off-any-purchase-halfords-1603626I've posted this as well and it is really a cracking deal but some mixed reviews. As O says the surprise me feature is the best thing on the bike reading the reviews. I'd still prefer a Garmin over anything else right now but can't justify the cost. By the way for anyone wanting turn-by-turn directions, from what I've tried on fellow riders 800, it isn't that straightforward. You need to create a route with something like RideWithGPS, that will create cue sheets to give you that ability. Also you'll need maps downloading (free ones are available, charge for Garmin), so out of the box, no such as turn by turn.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 21:43:50 GMT
By the way for anyone wanting turn-by-turn directions, from what I've tried on fellow riders 800, it isn't that straightforward. You need to create a route with something like RideWithGPS, that will create cue sheets to give you that ability. Also you'll need maps downloading (free ones are available, charge for Garmin), so out of the box, no such as turn by turn. I've got a Garmin 800 with OS maps. I've used it to navigate around car satnav style, works well. You can use Garmin Basecamp to plot routes but you need the unit connected to the PC to be able to see the maps, some sort of copyright protection no doubt so not just anyone can use the program. There are free versions as you mention like RidewithGPS.
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Post by panda on Aug 13, 2013 21:45:15 GMT
Just to throw something else into the mix the MIO 305 with Satnav, cadence and HRM is currently £170 at Halfords. Buy it before the end of play tomorrow and you get £25 off the rice. If you join the British Cycling Bronze pack membership for £9 you get 10% of at Halfords. In summary a MIO 305 with Candace, HRM and 12 months Bronze membership of the British Cycling Club for £140. This is a bargain. Note there is a way to get another £13 off the price of that is you purchase gift vouchers first. The full details of the deal can be found here www.hotukdeals.com/deals/22-off-any-purchase-halfords-1603626I've posted this as well and it is really a cracking deal but some mixed reviews. As O says the surprise me feature is the best thing on the bike reading the reviews. I'd still prefer a Garmin over anything else right now but can't justify the cost. By the way for anyone wanting turn-by-turn directions, from what I've tried on fellow riders 800, it isn't that straightforward. You need to create a route with something like RideWithGPS, that will create cue sheets to give you that ability. Also you'll need maps downloading (free ones are available, charge for Garmin), so out of the box, no such as turn by turn. Thanks for this. But I assume that you get maps and turn by turn on the Mio & Bryton? I agree with you, that the Garmin products are the best, but at the price of the Mio & Bryton, we are not really comparing apples with apples. My friends have the lower cost Garmins (200 & 500) and the navigation is quite poor. They have a breadcrumb feature that stops working when they are still. I am tempted to buy the MIO at this price.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 21:52:53 GMT
Would love the Garmin 810 but I love having my meat and two veg a bit more!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 21:54:22 GMT
Would love the Garmin 810 but I love having my meat and two veg a bit more! lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 21:54:29 GMT
I've got a Garmin 800 with OS maps. I've used it to navigate around car satnav style, works well. You can use Garmin Basecamp to plot routes but you need the unit connected to the PC to be able to see the maps, some sort of copyright protection no doubt so not just anyone can use the program. There are free versions as you mention like RidewithGPS. Thanks for this robo, I'll let him know. He only just got it and so I googled it and RideWithGPS was the first one to come up. What I don't understand is what kind of maps come by default that they are not suitable for turn-by-turn and you have to buy another map if sticking with Garmin.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 22:05:20 GMT
Thanks for this robo, I'll let him know. He only just got it and so I googled it and RideWithGPS was the first one to come up. What I don't understand is what kind of maps come by default that they are not suitable for turn-by-turn and you have to buy another map if sticking with Garmin. There are a few different Garmin 800 bundles, the standard one with very basic mapping which is pretty much useless, the navigator bundle including OS maps (I have this, was £50 more than standard but to buy maps at later date costs more) and the performance bundle which includes HRM and cadence sensor. There's also the ultimate one which includes all. Now, I've seen this guide that tells you how to add FREE maps to the top garmins if you don't have the OS maps or fancy a change: www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/05/download-garmin-705800810.html
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Post by Whitestar1 on Aug 14, 2013 7:34:07 GMT
I'm just using the cadence sensor. I find there is no need for the speed sensor as the GPS hasn't let me down. I wouldn't be too sure on that! The speed sensor will guarantee the actual speed ground level. The GPS can have issues such as cloud cover or even losing a fix with a satellite while in motion. I would recommend using a speed sensor to anyone that's serious about their data capture of their ride. Don't rely on the GPS alone!
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