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Post by Whitestar1 on Jun 13, 2013 20:08:01 GMT
I had my share of pain in the knee too. Moving the cleats sorted the problem out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 19:22:41 GMT
I just wanted to update this thread so hopefully it helps anyone else that comes across it.
After having to stop cycling for near enough two weeks from really bad knee pain, I finally set up my turbo trainer and got the bike on there. I started a day or two after when most of the pain had subsided. I began by changing my cleat position back to where I had it before the pain started. I then did a 30 minute stint on the trainer. Guess what? The pain returned very quickly and was just as bad. I gave up frustrated.
A few days later, back on the trainer and this time, I attempted saddle height adjustment. Now I knew the saddle wasn't low so I tried what was suggested by a few here, I lowered the saddle. I lowered it by about 3cm and then went for another 30min stint and I'm pleased to say, no pain! I did feel like I had lowered the seat to much as I wasn't getting the pedal power I was before so 1-1.5cm back up and I think I've found my comfortable fit.
I've been out in the weekends since and I'm hitting lengths I would not of dared when I was suffering the pain. So I'm happy and most importantly comfortable on the bike. I still think I may be a little out and would still consider a professional bike fit for my next bike but for now I'm ok.
My advice to anyone suffering the same; don't think the knee pain is normal and as a result of the bike ride. It really points to something not being right and you should address it ASAP.
A big thank you to all those that responded and parted with advice.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 17:05:47 GMT
As a guide, I was told saddle height should be 107%-109% of your inseam, when measured from the top of the saddle to the pedal spindle with the crank arm in line with the seat post. This method does rely on you having an accurate measurement of your inseam which I had to get on to a very uncomfortable machine to achieve.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 13:15:40 GMT
Resurrecting this thread as I'm looking for a little advice.
Over the past few days I've developed some mild pain in my right knee. More specifically the inside rear of my right knee. It feels like it is in or just behind that bit of ligament/tendon/cartilage you can feel when you bend the knee.
It doesn't stop me from riding but I fear that it will.
This coincides rather neatly with new pedals and therefore new cleats and while I tried my best to get them into the same position as the old ones I have a feeling I've cocked it up somehow.
I'm more or less certain that this is the cause but should also add that after a brief lay off of 4 days I did a 38 miler with a fair bit of climbing (for me) followed by a 30 miler the next day including climbing up one of the steepest hills in Suffolk (which honestly isn't saying much). These were also very windy days so combined with the climbing I have been pushing it a little lately.
I wonder if anyone has had the same pain or has any advice/ideas as to what might be going on here?
PS My cleats are the Exustar reds which I believe have 7 degrees of float, so if I have messed up my cleat position I must have done so quite badly!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 18:44:41 GMT
Resurrecting this thread as I'm looking for a little advice. Over the past few days I've developed some mild pain in my right knee. More specifically the inside rear of my right knee. It feels like it is in or just behind that bit of ligament/tendon/cartilage you can feel when you bend the knee. It doesn't stop me from riding but I fear that it will. This coincides rather neatly with new pedals and therefore new cleats and while I tried my best to get them into the same position as the old ones I have a feeling I've cocked it up somehow. I'm more or less certain that this is the cause but should also add that after a brief lay off of 4 days I did a 38 miler with a fair bit of climbing (for me) followed by a 30 miler the next day including climbing up one of the steepest hills in Suffolk (which honestly isn't saying much). These were also very windy days so combined with the climbing I have been pushing it a little lately. I wonder if anyone has had the same pain or has any advice/ideas as to what might be going on here? PS My cleats are the Exustar reds which I believe have 7 degrees of float, so if I have messed up my cleat position I must have done so quite badly! Dear of dear. Thought we had the end of knee pain in the TOC but I guess not. I'm inclined to say it's the cleats as I've found any change here or with saddle can make a huge difference. You seem to be a able rider so steep hills I don't think would of caused that pain. The caveat is, which gears were you using? Your cadence if you remember? Lots of hill climbing on the higher gears will cause that knee pain if you are not used to it. What pedals did you have before? SPD? I've been recommended before, to always mark the cleat positions on your shoes with a marker before moving or replacing. How did your position feel on the bike? Did your feet feel swayed in any particular way or misaligned? Maybe a few days rest with everything as it is and another ride out will be a good base test to start with.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 18:57:01 GMT
Resurrecting this thread as I'm looking for a little advice. Over the past few days I've developed some mild pain in my right knee. More specifically the inside rear of my right knee. It feels like it is in or just behind that bit of ligament/tendon/cartilage you can feel when you bend the knee. It doesn't stop me from riding but I fear that it will. This coincides rather neatly with new pedals and therefore new cleats and while I tried my best to get them into the same position as the old ones I have a feeling I've cocked it up somehow. I'm more or less certain that this is the cause but should also add that after a brief lay off of 4 days I did a 38 miler with a fair bit of climbing (for me) followed by a 30 miler the next day including climbing up one of the steepest hills in Suffolk (which honestly isn't saying much). These were also very windy days so combined with the climbing I have been pushing it a little lately. I wonder if anyone has had the same pain or has any advice/ideas as to what might be going on here? PS My cleats are the Exustar reds which I believe have 7 degrees of float, so if I have messed up my cleat position I must have done so quite badly! Dear of dear. Thought we had the end of knee pain in the TOC but I guess not. I'm inclined to say it's the cleats as I've found any change here or with saddle can make a huge difference. You seem to be a able rider so steep hills I don't think would of caused that pain. The caveat is, which gears were you using? Your cadence if you remember? Lots of hill climbing on the higher gears will cause that knee pain if you are not used to it. What pedals did you have before? SPD? I've been recommended before, to always mark the cleat positions on your shoes with a marker before moving or replacing. How did your position feel on the bike? Did your feet feel swayed in any particular way or misaligned? Maybe a few days rest with everything as it is and another ride out will be a good base test to start with. If it isn't the cleats its the volume and intensity of the riding after a few days off. I have been consciously trying to use higher gears recently to develop more strength. It was a swap from the wellgos that come on the t7 to the exustars. Like for like but the cleats must be slightly different as the old ones wouldn't engage. I drew around the cleats and replaced them in what I thought was an identical position. No obvious problem as far as my feet feeling misaligned and my position felt good on the bike. As I said I suspect the cleats but even if i didn't put them back identically i don't think they are so far out that float couldn't account for it. I may take your advice and take a day or two rest and see if it sorts itself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 19:15:50 GMT
If it isn't the cleats its the volume and intensity of the riding after a few days off. I have been consciously trying to use higher gears recently to develop more strength. It was a swap from the wellgos that come on the t7 to the exustars. Like for like but the cleats must be slightly different as the old ones wouldn't engage. I drew around the cleats and replaced them in what I thought was an identical position. No obvious problem as far as my feet feeling misaligned and my position felt good on the bike. As I said I suspect the cleats but even if i didn't put them back identically i don't think they are so far out that float couldn't account for it. I may take your advice and take a day or two rest and see if it sorts itself. If you've gone from Look Keo style pedals to the same and even did draw around the cleats then as you say, the difference would be negligible I would think. So perhaps you can rule cleat position out and as long as your feet are comfortable in current setup. Your confirming the high gears also which tells me you need to rest the joint. Assuming this higher gear hill climb training you are attempting is recent, then your body probably isn't used to the force. Again I would rest a good few days till the point there is no pain. My pain lingered for nearly 2 weeks but you don't sound that bad. My question to someone more experienced is, what is the best way to condition your body to attack the hills in progressively higher gears? I don't want to be in lower gears, high cadence forever. At some point you do need to attempt to push yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 19:24:12 GMT
Are you asking me? Lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 19:27:29 GMT
Lol you, anyone. Is the knee pain to be accepted in transition to being a better, stronger climber or is it always a sign of something not right?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 19:38:11 GMT
Well I'm just trying to get up as many hills as possible and have banned myself from using the bottom two gears.
Rather than getting to the foot of a hill and dreading it and resigning myself to the misery I really try to attack the bottom of it until I cant sustain that effort. The same over the brow, always try to accelerate over the top and away. All of this is done attempting to maintain a cadence of 90 but obviously doesn't always work out that way.
Things I've found that help are concentrating on breathing out, and when out of the saddle concentrating on keeping your upper body relaxed whilst focusing all your effort through your legs rather than rocking the bike around.
It all seemed to be working very well up until this knee niggle. I'm using the small ring (compact chainset on the t7) less on hills I previously struggled on.
As far as the knee pain being acceptable I have no idea!
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Post by zoltansocrates on Aug 15, 2013 19:44:37 GMT
knee pain isnt acceptable, something IS wrong, i take it its a sharp behind the knee cap pain that gets hot
dunno anything about the science but its cleat position, probably a slight twist in the lower leg
gives me the heeby jeebies, knee pain
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 19:46:57 GMT
Do the new cleats have more float than the old ones.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 19:47:23 GMT
knee pain isnt acceptable, something IS wrong, i take it its a sharp behind the knee cap pain that gets hot dunno anything about the science but its cleat position, probably a slight twist in the lower leg gives me the heeby jeebies, knee pain Ditto. Back pain, muscles, bum, squashed junk pain...the lot I can take but when it comes to that annoying burning pain behind your knee cap, it's debilitating.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 19:51:53 GMT
knee pain isnt acceptable, something IS wrong, i take it its a sharp behind the knee cap pain that gets hot dunno anything about the science but its cleat position, probably a slight twist in the lower leg gives me the heeby jeebies, knee pain No it's a pain in the back of my right knee, on the inside side of the leg. You know when you bend your right knee, at the back you can feel those hard bits of tendon or whatever it is? It's there. I also wouldn't describe the feeling as hot either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 19:53:29 GMT
Do the new cleats have more float than the old ones. I believe they do. I think the old ones had 5 degrees whereas these new ones have 7 but I'd have to double check.
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