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Post by Radchenister on Jun 2, 2013 12:32:48 GMT
I think the rolling 'breaks' are generally avoided unless absolutely necessary - I think I saw the blanked out variant of that; demonstrates the exception and why the camera tries to dodge it though !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 13:30:11 GMT
Well that was quite ok. Congrats Veillux for winning from the long range break - the stage win, yellow jersey, mountains jersey and green jersey are a pretty good return on effort.
The peloton did just enough to make sure he didn't get to much time and be awkward to haul back later without really going for it. Am a bit surprised by some of the riders who go shelled on the second cat 1 and the cat 2, looks like some riders have come into this underdone.
Edit: Talansky +8:16, Gerrans +10:40, De Gendt & Stannard +14:00 - surprised by all four of those.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 14:41:56 GMT
Veillux holds on to yellow after what turned into a fairly routine sprint stage with Viviani winning. All breaks were well controlled by Europcar and OPQS. Today's bad cycling news: Santambrogio has been busted for EPO, test taken on the 1st stage of the Giro. For a 29 year old mediocre mountain domestic to suddenly become a GC contender the way he has this year was always a bit suspisious, his quite sudden drop in form straight after team mate Di Luca was caught also raised a few eyebrows. And an interesting take on the Wiggins/Froome thing by Robert Millar, if true it confirms a lot of the rumours I've been hearing all year.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 21:12:03 GMT
Veillux holds on to yellow after what turned into a fairly routine sprint stage with Viviani winning. All breaks were well controlled by Europcar and OPQS. Today's bad cycling news: Santambrogio has been busted for EPO, test taken on the 1st stage of the Giro. For a 29 year old mediocre mountain domestic to suddenly become a GC contender the way he has this year was always a bit suspisious, his quite sudden drop in form straight after team mate Di Luca was caught also raised a few eyebrows. And an interesting take on the Wiggins/Froome thing by Robert Millar, if true it confirms a lot of the rumours I've been hearing all year. Bloody hell Fluff, your Wiggins/Froome link reads like an episode of Hollyoaks. Unless you're in the camp, a lot of that speculation, whilst fun, sounds pretty far fetched. But truth is stranger than fiction, of course... Call me naive but I think it is as simple as Wiggo wasn't physically up to it, and the Froome 'row' thing is a red herring.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 21:17:37 GMT
Veillux holds on to yellow after what turned into a fairly routine sprint stage with Viviani winning. All breaks were well controlled by Europcar and OPQS. Today's bad cycling news: Santambrogio has been busted for EPO, test taken on the 1st stage of the Giro. For a 29 year old mediocre mountain domestic to suddenly become a GC contender the way he has this year was always a bit suspisious, his quite sudden drop in form straight after team mate Di Luca was caught also raised a few eyebrows. And an interesting take on the Wiggins/Froome thing by Robert Millar, if true it confirms a lot of the rumours I've been hearing all year. Love Millar refers to 'the rules' though! And has a couple more for us... "Want a bit of good reading to get you prepared for a summer of cycling? Look up The Rules by Velominati. I will point out that I quickly browsed through them and noticed they've missed a couple. Front brake to the left hand lever, rear brake on the right hand lever is one and no sprinting on the hoods is another. The exception to that rule is Guiseppe Saronni, for an example see the Goodwood Worlds in 82. I know it's not a great exemption as he employed the same style at Prague in 81 and Freddy Maertens mugged him so stick to the rules." The rules
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Post by Phil on Jun 4, 2013 10:21:59 GMT
Veillux holds on to yellow after what turned into a fairly routine sprint stage with Viviani winning. All breaks were well controlled by Europcar and OPQS. Today's bad cycling news: Santambrogio has been busted for EPO, test taken on the 1st stage of the Giro. For a 29 year old mediocre mountain domestic to suddenly become a GC contender the way he has this year was always a bit suspisious, his quite sudden drop in form straight after team mate Di Luca was caught also raised a few eyebrows. And an interesting take on the Wiggins/Froome thing by Robert Millar, if true it confirms a lot of the rumours I've been hearing all year. Bloody hell Fluff, your Wiggins/Froome link reads like an episode of Hollyoaks. Unless you're in the camp, a lot of that speculation, whilst fun, sounds pretty far fetched. But truth is stranger than fiction, of course... Call me naive but I think it is as simple as Wiggo wasn't physically up to it, and the Froome 'row' thing is a red herring. I don't think it's perhaps as bad as the speculation suggests, but I do think where there's smoke there's fire and some truth in it maybe. I'm more interested in the Vini Fantini stuff at the moment, didn't realise Di Luca signed for them 7 days before the Giro and went straight in to the squad. Surely alarm bells should've been ringing with his performances and not having trained with the team much.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 11:22:23 GMT
Bloody hell Fluff, your Wiggins/Froome link reads like an episode of Hollyoaks. Unless you're in the camp, a lot of that speculation, whilst fun, sounds pretty far fetched. But truth is stranger than fiction, of course... Call me naive but I think it is as simple as Wiggo wasn't physically up to it, and the Froome 'row' thing is a red herring. He is well enough to have ridden as a domestique but he won't do it. I can understand that, he is last year's winner it is a bit of a come down to support your domestique from last year. BTW Millar is pretty close to most British pros, I do think the BMC thing is wrong but it basicly just means Froome would have left. Sean Yates tweeted about the article pretty confirming the politics bit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 11:55:20 GMT
Bloody hell Fluff, your Wiggins/Froome link reads like an episode of Hollyoaks. Unless you're in the camp, a lot of that speculation, whilst fun, sounds pretty far fetched. But truth is stranger than fiction, of course... Call me naive but I think it is as simple as Wiggo wasn't physically up to it, and the Froome 'row' thing is a red herring. I don't think it's perhaps as bad as the speculation suggests, but I do think where there's smoke there's fire and some truth in it maybe. I'm more interested in the Vini Fantini stuff at the moment, didn't realise Di Luca signed for them 7 days before the Giro and went straight in to the squad. Surely alarm bells should've been ringing with his performances and not having trained with the team much. The Vini situation is "fun". Di Luca was pretty much forced onto the team (and into the Giro) by the sponsor. Both he and Santambrogio were deliberately targeted for testing due to both looking very dodgy, the alarm bells were ringing. Vini are also facing allegations of talking their way out a random test at a race in Japan with a fib about missing flights. That should not have been possible. It is highly possible that there will be more positive tests coming out of the Giro, there are some rumours flying around about a Russian and an Italian. One day cycling might be clean but I'm not holding my breathe waiting.
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Post by Phil on Jun 4, 2013 12:08:46 GMT
I don't think it's perhaps as bad as the speculation suggests, but I do think where there's smoke there's fire and some truth in it maybe. I'm more interested in the Vini Fantini stuff at the moment, didn't realise Di Luca signed for them 7 days before the Giro and went straight in to the squad. Surely alarm bells should've been ringing with his performances and not having trained with the team much. The Vini situation is "fun". Di Luca was pretty much forced onto the team (and into the Giro) by the sponsor. Both he and Santambrogio were deliberately targeted for testing due to both looking very dodgy, the alarm bells were ringing. Vini are also facing allegations of talking their way out a random test at a race in Japan with a fib about missing flights. That should not have been possible. It is highly possible that there will be more positive tests coming out of the Giro, there are some rumours flying around about a Russian and an Italian. One day cycling might be clean but I'm not holding my breathe waiting. It's a real shame isn't it, probably be tainted in some way for a while yet. Might be hope in the current crop of younger riders keeping clean and pushing it out. Read an interesting article about Nibali and the legitimacy of his win given Vinokourov's involvement at Astana. Seemed a balanced read and concluded that looking at the evidence, his consistency in GT's over the last few years and well the lack of competitors capable of winning it that he is clean. I was a little surprised (my newness to the sport contributing I imagine) to the questioning of Nibali's win, never really crossed my mind that he might be doping. Part of me is waiting for an accusation towards Wiggins, given he's not done much since the Olymipcs and Tour win, I'd have thought people would be questioning his cleanliness last year.
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Post by Whitestar1 on Jun 4, 2013 12:19:01 GMT
I'm still working on a heavy technical pack and feeling p'd off that I get hit with work when the sun shines (it happens every year - last minute school project sign off last week knocked me off sync with normal workload); I get a bit stressed every time I get distracted by coming on here, so we're in Fluff's hands today - Fluff is chief commentator, I'm just a guest ! You work at a school rad?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 12:23:33 GMT
It's a real shame isn't it, probably be tainted in some way for a while yet. Might be hope in the current crop of younger riders keeping clean and pushing it out. Read an interesting article about Nibali and the legitimacy of his win given Vinokourov's involvement at Astana. Seemed a balanced read and concluded that looking at the evidence, his consistency in GT's over the last few years and well the lack of competitors capable of winning it that he is clean. I was a little surprised (my newness to the sport contributing I imagine) to the questioning of Nibali's win, never really crossed my mind that he might be doping. There's always been doping in cycling but its really only since the late '80s early '90s that it became *the* way to win. I am surprised by Nibali but his second time trial in the Giro raised a lot of eyebrows, he a lot stronger than anyone really expected. There's been a fair few allegations about Wiggins since 2009 when he unexpectedly made the step from the autobus to podium. There were loads last year about him and Sky, though last year most cynics were looking more at Porte, Rogers and Froome. Froome is also another one who unexpectedly went from autobus to podium, that sort of thing gets tongue wagging.
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Post by Radchenister on Jun 4, 2013 12:24:15 GMT
Yes and no W - not in the usual way, I design them (schools) on occasions and get involved in altering them (I have been a Chair of Governors as well but have given up that role after a 4 year stretch ).
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Post by Whitestar1 on Jun 4, 2013 12:33:08 GMT
Veillux holds on to yellow after what turned into a fairly routine sprint stage with Viviani winning. All breaks were well controlled by Europcar and OPQS. Today's bad cycling news: Santambrogio has been busted for EPO, test taken on the 1st stage of the Giro. For a 29 year old mediocre mountain domestic to suddenly become a GC contender the way he has this year was always a bit suspisious, his quite sudden drop in form straight after team mate Di Luca was caught also raised a few eyebrows. And an interesting take on the Wiggins/Froome thing by Robert Millar, if true it confirms a lot of the rumours I've been hearing all year. I think Millar and I are singing from the same hymn sheet. I smell a rat the moment things started to go bad for Brad on the Giro. As its been noted that some of this is speculation but even so there is no smoke without fire. Froome was going to sign off on BMC? Is that true? I think the was he was riding and supporting Brad in the TdF it would only be fair to give him his big break. Yet internal politics is a bitch and all is fair in love and war, he could have been forced to play second fiddle again if he didn't shake his balls at sky - (forgive the language been wrote the English language paper today and its still in me)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 12:34:09 GMT
Final climb of the day is only a cat 4 and the peloton is getting blown to pieces. Strong man's sprint coming up.
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Post by Whitestar1 on Jun 4, 2013 12:37:39 GMT
I don't think it's perhaps as bad as the speculation suggests, but I do think where there's smoke there's fire and some truth in it maybe. I'm more interested in the Vini Fantini stuff at the moment, didn't realise Di Luca signed for them 7 days before the Giro and went straight in to the squad. Surely alarm bells should've been ringing with his performances and not having trained with the team much. The Vini situation is "fun". Di Luca was pretty much forced onto the team (and into the Giro) by the sponsor. Both he and Santambrogio were deliberately targeted for testing due to both looking very dodgy, the alarm bells were ringing. Vini are also facing allegations of talking their way out a random test at a race in Japan with a fib about missing flights. That should not have been possible. It is highly possible that there will be more positive tests coming out of the Giro, there are some rumours flying around about a Russian and an Italian. One day cycling might be clean but I'm not holding my breathe waiting. I saw that expulsion fluffkitten. It begs the question was Di Luca ever clean in the first? How did you get to put that kind of pressure to get into the team for the Giro?
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