Mehran
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Post by Mehran on Jul 12, 2015 13:05:30 GMT
The problem is its so hard to objectively quantify how a bike preforms by looking at it and its spec sheets. Bike reviews are as good as useless. almost every bike gets at least 4 out of 5 stars? and I dont really trust them anyway.
What does going from 8kg to a 7kg bike do to the bike? how can they take x amount of grams with out turning it to a wobbly frame or brittle? keeping it with in the Btwin family of bikes. what does a Alur type frame have over a T3/T5 gen alu frame? or the ultra over a mach.
My gut feeling is its just marketing kidology for most of it.
BTW I like the look mekk primio 6.2
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 13:49:51 GMT
Not at all. I haven't ridden either bike to be able to comment on how they perform. In addition, it's hard to put a price on being able to try a bike for size in a bricks and mortar store and to also have that after sales support. Purely from a specification standpoint the Canyon seems to offer a lot more for an additional Β£99 but it could be months before you manage to get your hands on one, you might not like size or the ride etc etc. The red herring on this thread is weight and price point. I'm happy with the FC700 (predecessor to yours) and for a bigger rider, the kilo difference and electronic shifting for up to a grand isn't worth it. Having affordable wet and dry weather bike's that you ride often and can keep maintaining on a reasonable budget is the best 'investment'. I was in Bike Science yesterday and overheard the governor explaining his view to a young chap who brought up bike weights. The response was along the line of once at a reasonable level, bike weight isn't worth dwelling over, whereas ride quality, suitability of fit, feel and handling are more important. So while exotic light bike's are nice to ponder, they're not worth getting too obsessive over. robertsims will tell you that I'm going up hills better these days, n it certainly isn't the bike doing it, although at 8.3 kilos (including pedals n cages etc) and with spot on fit / handling, it's not holding me back either. No doubt at all but you will struggle to find many riders who wouldn't fancy shifting a kilo off their bike.
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Post by Radchenister on Jul 12, 2015 14:35:42 GMT
Pointless unless racing though; even on a club ride or a sportive, it's pretty much negligible compared to fitness / form and you're probably able to make the difference up by getting a few good night's sleep, or wearing your most aero kit. If someone's not on a serious training regime, then that kilo will mean very little. On a similar vein, my lad spotted an S-Works Rapha poser riding up Park Street in central Bristol yesterday, comment from a 12 year old lad - 'his cadence is rubbish and his saddle's too low', made us laugh ; point being is there's lots of ways for your everyday rider to lose speed, issues that a grand and a kilo will make next to no difference to within the holistic picture, especially for the bigger riders. If Rocket is going to do hill TT's regularly, or race hilly courses, then I could see the point in his case, if not, then you have to wonder why worry about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 14:41:22 GMT
Pointless unless racing though; even on a club ride or a sportive, it's pretty much negligible compared to fitness / form and you're probably able to make the difference up by getting a few good night's sleep, or wearing your most aero kit. If someone's not on a serious training regime, then that kilo will mean very little. On a similar vein, my lad spotted an S-Works Rapha poser riding up Park Street in central Bristol yesterday, comment from a 12 year old lad - 'his cadence is rubbish and his saddle's too low', made us laugh ; point being is there's lots of ways for your everyday rider to lose speed that a grand and a kilo will make next to no difference to the holistic picture, especially for the bigger riders. If Rocket is going to do hill TT's regularly, or race hilly courses, then I could see the point in his case, if not, then you have to wonder why worry about it. Weight is marketing. It works. Just like iphones and their thinness at the detriment to battery life.
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Post by Radchenister on Jul 12, 2015 14:53:16 GMT
Well it works on some and best of luck to them, I thoroughly enjoyed passing 7/8ths of the field at the Velothon, particularly those on expensive exotica . The other discussion in the bike shop yesterday relating to proper group crit racing was how expensive a bike would you be prepared to crash.
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Post by william39 on Jul 12, 2015 15:25:37 GMT
Agreed that it is pointless being obsessed with weight unless racing. The only person I'm racing against is myself with Strava times up the various Cols etc. If I bought a new lighter bike I might get faster times but it would be less satisfactory as the difference would be the bike and not my fitness. Highest on the agenda for me is comfort. 25mm tyres, double bar tape and a new saddle have helped in that regard.
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Post by bennettkaru on Jul 12, 2015 15:30:28 GMT
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Post by lowey on Jul 12, 2015 16:17:28 GMT
I've got the Domane 4.5 and think it's a great bike (but I would wouldn't I!). Doesn't fit Rocket's profile though as it's an endurance bike and not an aero frame. Very comfortable to ride. I did look at Canyon but didn't want to part with my money without having ridden one, which is what put me off.
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Post by stevo on Jul 13, 2015 12:41:18 GMT
Reminds me of the story of a fisherman being amazed by all the high tech carbon fishing gear in his local shop and the salesman admitting that 'the gear is not to catch the fish, but actually the fishermen'
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 13:00:16 GMT
Turned into a very interesting thread, thanks Rocket I have enjoyed the input and banter.
I would have suggested Cav's new bike but it doesn't fit your requirements, it's a wee bit too heavy and way too expensive but very nice to look at...or is that to dream about;-)
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Post by chappers on Jul 13, 2015 13:27:05 GMT
Focus Cayo 4.0 might come close. It looks a great bike for the money with some fantastic kit on board. Mechanical Sram though - not electronic. I think it looks great. I'm considering one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 21:01:11 GMT
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Post by Radchenister on Jul 13, 2015 22:43:21 GMT
Pft, soulless and bland, have a bit of DIY class - no offence meant !
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Post by r0b1et on Jul 14, 2015 10:07:25 GMT
Doesn't seem very good value to me, only 10s asit's a mix of SRAM force and Rival. I like the SRAM on my TT bike though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 12:44:08 GMT
On sale with a grand off so depends what you call value. You can get it with Full Sram Red for just under 4K so suspect your paying for the semi aero frame more than the groupset its wearing?
Personally if it was my choice I'd go with the Mekk primo 6.2 or the Scott solace 10. But as I have a carbon bike under 8kg I'd save me money and take the family on a trip to Disney
PS: if I was as light as Roy and had his fitness I'd keep the T3 and take the holiday also
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