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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 21:10:20 GMT
So how are you getting on with the kit @veganpower? Loving the garmin 1000. I'm starting to rely on the power meter more and more, it fascinates me to think about the times I thought I was pushing hard, but probably wasn't, and the more often times where I thought I was slow and just tired. Amazing what effect wind has. Now I don't even look at my speed. I glace at my cadence but provided it's above 90 I just look at my watts. HR is still interesting but unless its over 165bpm I know I can maintain my pace. I'm still happy with my decision, I really need to service my bike before I next go to the velodrome though! Can you expand on what you mean by the wind effect please vegan.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 22:00:19 GMT
Loving the garmin 1000. I'm starting to rely on the power meter more and more, it fascinates me to think about the times I thought I was pushing hard, but probably wasn't, and the more often times where I thought I was slow and just tired. Amazing what effect wind has. Now I don't even look at my speed. I glace at my cadence but provided it's above 90 I just look at my watts. HR is still interesting but unless its over 165bpm I know I can maintain my pace. I'm still happy with my decision, I really need to service my bike before I next go to the velodrome though! Can you expand on what you mean by the wind effect please vegan. Riding into wind takes a lot more effort. Keeping the same speed shows a noticeable higher power output.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 22:08:18 GMT
So what kind of watts are you averaging on a 1 hour ride? I'd love to know mine as the Strava averages are pants. Can you give us some examples of hilly and flat rides along with sprints please? Do you know what you can maintain now and just choose an appropriate gear for the conditions to keep that power output? This is a good example of what I can on on the flat for an hour www.strava.com/activities/192288383/analysis Although my legs were hurting from a serious gym sesh. You'll have to give me a while for an example of a hilly route, I've not been on my bike nearly enough. I aim for between 1.5 and 2 watts per kilo over a long ride. Yeah, I pick the appropriate gear and try and ride to watts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 22:10:22 GMT
Sounds interesting, we'll watch your Strava - I'll give you a little challenge; try and do a 20 minute session with the power level maintained as flat at you can between say 130 to 150 watts. I was trying to remember what the figure was when I got to the track today. I'll try that next time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 6:39:51 GMT
Can you expand on what you mean by the wind effect please vegan. Riding into wind takes a lot more effort. Keeping the same speed shows a noticeable higher power output. Not trying to fuel the 'why did you buy a power meter debate'* (if I had the cash I'd get one after a new bike , but did you really need a power meter to tell you that riding into the wind requires more power? I thought it (riding with a power meter) was all about riding to a certain power output you can maintain over a period of time, thus making speed irrelevant? *You are the only person I know with a power meter, except those fitted to turbo trainers, so I am genuinely interested in your findings and experiences with it.
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Post by Radchenister on Sept 10, 2014 9:25:42 GMT
I had a good conversation with Magnus Backstedt's triathlon coach yesterday over lunch, as we just happened to be sat with him in the seating area at The Tumble ... we discussed various subjects but mainly chatted about training and power meters - he is a supplier for 'Infocrank', he can source these via his endurance sport coaching company (Service-Course based in Pontyclun, Wales) - if you're interested in the product it's on this site: www.vervecycling.com/ . He has some interesting views on the Stages meters (that I won't go into too much), hasten to say he's a little biased towards his chosen product, that he supplies to people he's training. This product does dual sided readings, he made a good case for why this is better than single sided, to summarise a 20 minute chat, it is beneficial because it can be used to train yourself to give smoother power delivery across both sides of the body and help even out bad form. We also got onto other issues, such as measuring the efficiency and power around the pedal stroke circumference, the software available for doing this, what logging time intervals are appropriate and other general stat's based geekiness. I'm still holding out until they drop in price though!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 11:17:07 GMT
Riding into wind takes a lot more effort. Keeping the same speed shows a noticeable higher power output. Not trying to fuel the 'why did you buy a power meter debate'* (if I had the cash I'd get one after a new bike , but did you really need a power meter to tell you that riding into the wind requires more power? I thought it (riding with a power meter) was all about riding to a certain power output you can maintain over a period of time, thus making speed irrelevant? *You are the only person I know with a power meter, except those fitted to turbo trainers, so I am genuinely interested in your findings and experiences with it. Funny enough, No. I didn't need a PM to tell me that. It doesn't change the fact that it's interest to see the level of difference! Yes, as I mentioned before the plan is to ride by numbers. The more riding I do the more I will be able to report.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 11:20:54 GMT
I had a good conversation with Magnus Backstedt's triathlon coach yesterday over lunch, as we just happened to be sat with him in the seating area at The Tumble ... we discussed various subjects but mainly chatted about training and power meters - he is a supplier for 'Infocrank', we he can source via his endurance sport coaching company (Service-Course based in Pontyclun, Wales) - if you're interested in the product it's on this site: www.vervecycling.com/ . He has some interesting views on the Stages meters (that I won't go into too much), hasten to say he's a little biased towards his chosen product, that he supplies to people he's training. This product does dual sided readings, he made a good case for why this is better than single sided, to summarise a 20 minute chat, it is beneficial because it can be used to train yourself to give smoother power delivery across both sides of the body and help even out bad form. We also got onto other issues, such as measuring the efficiency and power around the pedal stroke circumference, the software available for doing this, what logging time intervals are appropriate and other general stat's based geekiness. I'm still holding out until they drop in price though! I can see the need for dual readings or a hub based system.
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Post by Radchenister on Sept 10, 2014 21:48:39 GMT
Buddy Franko and I still struggle to see the point of them, unless you're uber rocking fit - Franko will be doing Iron-Man Wales this weekend, he'll be handicapped as he'll be working on his heart rate and cadence only - he's aware of the potential for elevations through excitement of starting etc but given he'll be out there for over 10 hours, he reckons he'll just about manage to get by on the stats . He's spoilt now though, as through his family connections, he's got Β£1500 of carbon wheels on his T7 and reports that he's dropped half a kilo off the bike as a result, which combined with lots of training and hitting a decent weight on his carcass, means they feel so light and stiff to him that he can fly up hills !
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Post by Radchenister on Sept 10, 2014 21:55:47 GMT
PS - I'm sure it looks like I'm giving you a hard time? Yep, I am, because spending big bucks on data strikes me as frivolous, even if you've stopped eating meat to save the planet - bottom line and a challenge - you're going to have to demonstrate real results for us to get with you on your philosophy .
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Post by william39 on Sept 10, 2014 22:48:42 GMT
Not posted in a while but will be catching up soon. If you are not knocking out 300w plus a power metre is completely useless imo. I have spent the summer doing multiple HC climbs in the Alps and there is no need for a power metre or even a HRM to tell you when you are goosed. Average speed and knowing the percentange is enough info for me. Still nice kit to have if money is no object.
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Post by Radchenister on Sept 11, 2014 0:03:47 GMT
Next I'd like to see someone (perhaps 40-banana-geezer himself?) do 30kms on a flatish and slightly undulating road circuit (solo) using a PM to the max in order to optimise performance (that's about speed every time in cycling as far as I know, as it's not powerlifting or shot putting), ideally I'd like to see minimal fluctuations in the power data and a good overall average speed put down as a result. I am genuinely interested here, as I'm hoping that someone can break my scepticism and demonstrate that power management bangs out the best gains in kmh but let's be straight on where I'm at with it, if we use Rocket as an example, the plusses would need to exceed the results of someone who's improved by simply sticking to a regime over time. Edit: group velodrome riding is always going to be faster than solo road efforts as it's uber flat, smooth and slipstream assisted (for parts), move onto timber and it's going to be faster still. Nevertheless, a good exercise for comparison and perhaps the benchmark for how smooth the powercurve could be when used on undulating terrain (well hopefully, perhaps we'll see anyway?).
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Post by lenodd on Sept 12, 2014 8:00:31 GMT
I've enjoyed this thread If you've got the cash, spend it on whatever makes you happy
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 9:24:14 GMT
PS - I'm sure it looks like I'm giving you a hard time? Yep, I am, because spending big bucks on data strikes me as frivolous, even if you've stopped eating meat to save the planet - bottom line and a challenge - you're going to have to demonstrate real results for us to get with you on your philosophy . I don't mind and to be honest I'm not trying to get anyone to buy a power meter. I have one and that's all I care about. As someone who is much better at cycling would say "No F**ks given". As I said before the power meter was more of an FYI in this post than a "I'm thinking about it, what do you guys think". I hope you're not making light of the vegan thing, that is something I am serious about.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 9:31:12 GMT
Next I'd like to see someone (perhaps 40-banana-geezer himself?) do 30kms on a flatish and slightly undulating road circuit (solo) using a PM to the max in order to optimise performance (that's about speed every time in cycling as far as I know, as it's not powerlifting or shot putting), ideally I'd like to see minimal fluctuations in the power data and a good overall average speed put down as a result. I am genuinely interested here, as I'm hoping that someone can break my scepticism and demonstrate that power management bangs out the best gains in kmh but let's be straight on where I'm at with it, if we use Rocket as an example, the plusses would need to exceed the results of someone who's improved by simply sticking to a regime over time. Edit: group velodrome riding is always going to be faster than solo road efforts as it's uber flat, smooth and slipstream assisted (for parts), move onto timber and it's going to be faster still. Nevertheless, a good exercise for comparison and perhaps the benchmark for how smooth the powercurve could be when used on undulating terrain (well hopefully, perhaps we'll see anyway?). Well I doubt Durianrider is a member of this forum! I can only assume you've called him 40 banana geezer to get a reaction from me! If you want something from him, then email him.
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