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Post by Radchenister on Aug 16, 2013 15:11:14 GMT
See the PS - am trying to fathom the most equivalent cost effective moves on the T5a to those I've done on the T3, in order to offer the wider audience a good steer of where to start and focus the dosh, decide which to buy (although the reds can't be around much longer surely?)... determining how to get under the Β£600 threshold in the best way with both bikes ... once you cross the Β£600, we're onto the T7 territory. I keep saying if I were starting now I'd buy the T5a, what I really think is now I can climb a bit better the T7 might make more sense for me and some other younger and / or fitter dudes, although really you have to change the wheels on a T7 to bring it into itself, so we're really talking Β£740 ish for it to be sorted at the minimum.
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Post by zoltansocrates on Aug 16, 2013 15:18:31 GMT
well thats me snookered my aksiums were 165 at mecca about a year ago now and my cat 2 workmate gave me a roasting for buying them too
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Post by Radchenister on Aug 16, 2013 15:24:58 GMT
I think if you've had 20+ quid of fun and avoided the pub just a few times, then who cares in reality, they've been worth it? Remember I don't count my silly bar tape departures as actual bike spends, when really I'm fooling myself and it was an actual spend ... but who cares in reality, gave us all a laugh ... could have bought an entry level Trek or Giant and whilst you'd be fairly happy, you'd not be a few hundred extra quid happier !
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Post by zoltansocrates on Aug 16, 2013 15:33:20 GMT
i think they have but as i get stronger i think a step up is justified, hence my look swisswards
my colleague/mate reckoned they were too flexy but hes pumping out serious wattage and is a serious racer, he needs the ferrari whereas i can get by on the mr2 so to speak
aye some of those bar tapes, the giro one in particular, have been spectacular
you could have bought a madone 1.1 for about 800 bucks but you would never have ended up here and the value of this site, for me, grows every day
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Post by Radchenister on Aug 16, 2013 15:40:20 GMT
A general discussion of prices both historic and present is quite interesting ... aiming to pin down what's possible for the punters and also forward plan a bit.
We all know people will spend more than they plan to but it's nice to challenge yourself to keep it efficient ... but then there's the 'live in the now' factor and 'getting on with it' thing to think about as well ... a see-saw of choices. There's always going to be the next choice up, a smart guy picks the start slot and has a little progression plan in place but adapts as they go wisely.
I'd like a 7 right now but a new bike after 9 months is a bit excessive, there's the winter to get through and we'll see what next spring has to offer. I am wondering how they can keep them progressing and not hike prices and also how long before you step off the top of the Triban ladder? I think they're sound for keeping as workhorse bike even if you progress but what about a Sunday special ... hmmm n+1!
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Post by DelB on Aug 16, 2013 15:40:29 GMT
i my colleague/mate reckoned they were too flexy but hes pumping out serious wattage and is a serious racer I'm neither of those things, as you have witnessed first hand, but I'd have to agree that they do have a surprising amount of lateral movement in them.
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Post by zoltansocrates on Aug 16, 2013 15:44:57 GMT
del all i witnessed was a wind sheild!
btw how are the mavic shoes going, comfy little blighters arent they?
yeh ive notice a wee bit of movement under pressure right enough, still a good wheel and i think the addition of the ceramic bearings we were looking at might be a winner, im going to try that before i replace i think, its the prudent approach
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Post by DelB on Aug 16, 2013 15:58:45 GMT
btw how are the mavic shoes going, comfy little blighters arent they? Have only worn them the once, on Wednesday there, but was very impressed with them. I had to turn the tension up on the Exustar pedals by four or five clicks, as the interface felt a bit vague and I like to hear a good positive click when the cleat engages.
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Post by zoltansocrates on Aug 16, 2013 15:59:00 GMT
i think i will buy another bike and ultimately id like that to be a de rosa but i think thats a couple of years off yet
with upgrades I think id find it hard to move away from the 7, ultegra on it would look fine, the microshift white IMO would also look spanking on it, i think upgrades, for me, are not so much about cost and more about the obscure, the strange
our uniqueness is what separates us within the collective fine though they are i wouldnt be into, for example, upgrading my wheels toR501 or RS30- its been done, looks great but there are others, and I HAVE to be different dont I
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Post by Radchenister on Aug 16, 2013 16:04:08 GMT
Fine, as long as not style over substance ... nothing wrong with style of course but pricy stuff that goes ping too easily is not my cup of tea at all.
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Post by zoltansocrates on Aug 16, 2013 16:19:03 GMT
its all about the research and thats why this site is so good, but you still need the pioneers, you need the person wholl say 'im risking it all on my ARSIS' for example, look at howie for instance, hes the only one whos fitted campag hoops and hes quiet about them so they must be doing a good job, his wheels are a mix of both style and substance and his uniqueness makes him stand out accordingly, mind you he has a belter of a bike to begin with
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 16:40:24 GMT
our uniqueness is what separates us within the collective I agree. Yes, there's the shared Triban interest, but not going down the Halfords/LBS route like so many people shows a certain independence of mind in itself. Personally I get a kick out of beating others on their multi thousand pound machines with a cheap as chips bike, and because of that I would never go beyond budget upgrades out of principle. I'm the only Tribanite in my new club and the next cheapest bikes are a couple of Specialized Allezs but most are much more expensive, even at the lower levels. For wheels, for instance, I would probably go for Shimano 501s (btw the 30mms have crept up in price, haven't they?), RS30s at a squeeze. Of course as I progress my outlook my change completely but that's how I feel at the moment.
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Post by phred1812 on Aug 16, 2013 16:50:30 GMT
Out of interest I have just totted up what I have spent this year excluding kit and tools
T3 - 299 Pedals - 17.49 Fulcrum 5s - 109.99 Luganos - 19.98 Sram PG850 - 19.99 KMC X8 99 Chain - 15.40 Sora crankset - 32.99 Selle italia saddle - 40.48 Dog fang - 5.99 Ultegra 6600 derailleur - 39.95
Total Β£601.26
I think that this compares very favourably with a lot of the entry level models from the mainstream manufacturers but more importantly I have had a lot of pleasure upgrading the bike, have learnt a lot along the way and would not have discovered the TOC if I had gone for the Spez Allez. Buying the T3 was one of the best decisions I took this year so far.
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Post by zoltansocrates on Aug 16, 2013 16:54:16 GMT
aye chris king hubs, chris evans performance
you are spot on fred, buying a bike is not an easy task and when supposedly budget btwin rear their ugly head MOST discount it as garbage primarily becuase of cost, how little they know
fred, squeeze yourself, i think the rs are better wheels
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 17:20:35 GMT
its all about the research and thats why this site is so good, but you still need the pioneers, you need the person wholl say 'im risking it all on my ARSIS' for example, look at howie for instance, hes the only one whos fitted campag hoops and hes quiet about them so they must be doing a good job, his wheels are a mix of both style and substance and his uniqueness makes him stand out accordingly, mind you he has a belter of a bike to begin with The wheels...THE WHEELS! From what I can make out campag set up fulcrum to make Shimano compatible wheels without sullying the name - and then went out and made them under the campag name anyway. The fulcrum quattros and my campag sciroccos are more or less identical but i went with the campag as they were on sale, have understated style and are a bit different. Much like the 7 itself. PS they are great wheels but tyres are a bitch to get on!
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