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Post by plasticniki on May 15, 2016 7:15:37 GMT
Hello guys, I've had my original Triban 3 for a good while now and am getting fed up with the crappy shifting. I guess my options are to upgrade, or buy a new bike. I'm eyeing up a 105 (5800) 11 speed groupset for longevity Tiagra 10 speed groupset but this would mean new wheels as the stock ones on my current 650c Triban 3 aren't 10 speed compatible. The Vision Team 30 wheels on eBay that I've read about on here don't look like they're 11 speed compatible either (I may have this wrong) and they were looking like the cheapest option at just £100 for the pair. Here's a link: m.ebay.co.uk/itm/PAIR-650c-VISION-TEAM-30-ALLOY-CLINCHER-TRIATHLON-WHEEL-SET-RRP-279-LOW-START-/391453913774?nav=SEARCHI'll need new wheels. Tthe Vision Team 30 ones are £100 on eBay, I'm sure someone from here bought them and are happy with them on their 650c bike? Question is, is it worth it? The groupset = £230, more if I buy it from my LBS and get them to fit it. Plus wheels, we're probably looking at about £400. Who has an upgraded 650c Triban and can share their story? Thanks!
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Post by r0b1et on May 15, 2016 7:22:34 GMT
Certainly imply they are not 11s compatible. I guess a question is if you are on a 51,so on most bikes you'd be on a700c wheel... That vastly improves upgrade options.
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Post by plasticniki on May 15, 2016 7:26:09 GMT
Certainly imply they are not 11s compatible. I guess a question is if you are on a 51,so on most bikes you'd be on a700c wheel... That vastly improves upgrade options. Yeah. I was actually looking at going full carbon + an Ultegra build, but it's going to be about a grand more expensive than upgrading my T3. I am so attached to my T3 though. If I did get a new bike I'd still use it as a winter trainer / commuter. I suppose Tiagra is an option?
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Post by jondxxx on May 15, 2016 7:59:54 GMT
Not very long ago Tiagra was the favoured option and plenty of members went for it.
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Post by utriban on May 15, 2016 9:01:59 GMT
Hi,
upgrade to full Tiagra or 105 with new set of wheels and other goodies (cables, tape ...) would probably set you back 400 - 450 pounds. If you add to it whatever LBS charges, probably round 500. And you still remain with the bike that limits your maintenance and upgrade options and make them more expensive, due to non standard size.
Can you find fitting bike in your size with standard wheels?
If yes, I'd be looking into deals going around these days, as 105 + full carbon or excellent alu frame can be had for not much more than that. That's subjective, of course, but certainly less than 1500
PS If you decide to go upgrade path, look into maintaining it yourself rather than using LBS, as in a long run, it will be better on so many levels.
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Post by plasticniki on May 16, 2016 12:23:50 GMT
Hi, upgrade to full Tiagra or 105 with new set of wheels and other goodies (cables, tape ...) would probably set you back 400 - 450 pounds. If you add to it whatever LBS charges, probably round 500. And you still remain with the bike that limits your maintenance and upgrade options and make them more expensive, due to non standard size. Can you find fitting bike in your size with standard wheels? If yes, I'd be looking into deals going around these days, as 105 + full carbon or excellent alu frame can be had for not much more than that. That's subjective, of course, but certainly less than 1500 PS If you decide to go upgrade path, look into maintaining it yourself rather than using LBS, as in a long run, it will be better on so many levels. I don't actually mind the sizing of the bike -- it fits me well and I love riding it. I got it last July when Decathlon had a few of the smaller sizes for sale, and I've ridden nearly 4000km on it since then, and only now am I starting to feel the limitations with the groupset. I am right in thinking I'll definitely notice the difference between my current set up and the new Tiagra, if I was to go for that? I've had a quote from my LBS and they'll charge me £340 to purchase and fit the Tiagra. I will get the wheels myself adding on £100. So, ~£440. Don't think I can justify a new bike purchase this early in my cycling career! Plus, I am so attached the the Triban 3. I can do small adjustments myself (gears, brakes, I can even wrap tape), but I think fitting a whole new groupset is way beyond my limitations.
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Post by r0b1et on May 16, 2016 14:24:51 GMT
Tiagra (even older) is a big step up and well worth it... but 105 is more refined, and if you can afford the wheels too, it's probably worth it (IMO) - and it's not "too good for the frame".
I think you'd likely manage changing the groupset. I've done it on a T3, and I'd say the hardest part was indexing the gears(!), which you said you can do. You do need a few tools... I just used an Aldi tool kit... they had bike recently but no tool kits (unfortunately).
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Post by joby on May 16, 2016 15:02:34 GMT
I'm running 10sp Tiagra on my T3A. Brakes and front shifting are fine, but I've always found the rear shifting a little sloppy. It's difficult to describe...changing down the cassette (to smaller sprockets) is fine, but changing up you always have to push a little past the click to get it to shift (which often results in an annoying extra click which you then have to undo). If you tweak the adjuster to eradicate this, the shift in the other direction is affected.
I've never got to the bottom of whether this is just normal with this groupset, or whether there's something slightly wrong with my setup. I've changed everything bar the rear shifter and the rear mech to address this (including the mech hanger) but with no joy. Like r0b1et says, maybe it's just not as refined as 105 etc.
It may be that there's some genuine issue with my setup, or maybe that's just how Tiagra is. But hearing people speak of crisp, precise shifting with 105 and Ultegra makes me wish sometimes I'd spent the extra.
(As an aside, fitting a new groupset is not especially difficult - in fact I found the fiddliest thing was wrapping the new bar tape once I'd done. I'd definitely recommend giving it a go.)
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Post by Radchenister on May 16, 2016 15:33:05 GMT
Old Tiagra is OK when set up right but I've just gone to a 105 rear mech after circa 9500kms on the old Tiagra, also got a new Ultegra chain and 105 cassette - it's better yes but then it's not done thousands of miles. The issues I've had with shifting going off kilter during nearly 10K kms mean I've thoroughly tested the set up, when mine was off, it wasn't really groupo quality related, more about maintenance, set up and wear, as when new and set up right, it was as crisp as current set up - IMO all set ups can lose quality and feel tired, keeping them clean and tweaked goes a long way but here's the clear functional issues I discovered: 1. Cables sticky, need new inner / oil outers, or a complete new cable set. 2. Cables frayed in right shifter meaning it was flexing too much and messing with shifting at rear. 3. Freehub bearings worn, meaning the cassette wobbles on its axis, making gear selection a bit hit and miss. 4. Generally tired rear mech, mainly the jockey wheels getting too rattly, meaning the tolerances were off.
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Post by joby on May 16, 2016 15:56:52 GMT
here's the clear functional issues I discovered: 1. Cables sticky, need new inner / oil outers, or a complete new cable set. 2. Cables frayed in right shifter meaning it was flexing too much and messing with shifting at rear. 3. Freehub bearings worn, meaning the cassette wobbles on its axis, making gear selection a bit hit and miss. 4. Generally tired rear mech, mainly the jockey wheels getting too rattly, meaning the tolerances were off. 1 and 2 taken care of as I've replaced inners and outers, along with cassette and chain. I've had the old fraying-cable-in-the-shifter problem before, that's a lot more "there's a definite problem" than this current can't-quite-put-my-finger-on-it sloppiness. 3 should be OK as I've recently replaced the hoops, although something to watch for the future. Which leaves 4, and indeed a new rear mech is next on my list of things to try. It's a couple of years old now, so around 6K miles on it (including winter commutes). I did replace jockey wheels but am thinking a complete replacement is probably worth a punt. Anyway, apologies to plasticniki, didn't mean to hijack your thread with my shifting woes
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Post by Radchenister on May 16, 2016 16:02:14 GMT
Don't think it's a thread hijack, essentially it's what groupsets are all about, a well maintained Tiagra is better than a badly set up / grubby worn 105 or perhaps Ultegra etc; all part of the picture, buying at a level you're willing to keep replacing is the game IMO; my bike is now so crisp it's a joy to use again. The not quite putting your finger on it for me was just tolerable slight sloppiness with worn parts that you learn to cope with, pop on a new one and it's like the sun just came out on a grey day.
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Post by r0b1et on May 16, 2016 16:17:03 GMT
I find similar to joby on my older tiagra groupset (perhaps a little less extreme), and have since I bought it (second hand)... new chains and cassettes make no difference. I've managed to fettle it so that It shifts perfectly to a smaller cog, and about 50% takes the excess to go up, meaning I regularly have to click back to be "properly in". I've just got used to it like that to be honest, if it's clicking, a quick tap on the paddle and all's good.
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Post by william39 on May 16, 2016 16:33:01 GMT
No difference in rear shifting for mr between new 105 on my Trek and old Tiagra on my Triban although I do have an old 105 10 speed rear mech as it was cheaper than the Tiagra at the time. I do find the front shifting is better with 105 11 speed once set up right which is more complicated than the old ten speed.
With regards to upgrading, you could instead buy a Triban 540 for £600 or £650 for the new 11 speed version. If you then sold the T3 for circa £150 it would end up costing about the same as the upgrade and you would have a brand new bike with a better frame.
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Post by chas on May 16, 2016 17:32:34 GMT
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Post by utriban on May 16, 2016 18:55:44 GMT
I'm running 10sp Tiagra on my T3A. Brakes and front shifting are fine, but I've always found the rear shifting a little sloppy. It's difficult to describe...changing down the cassette (to smaller sprockets) is fine, but changing up you always have to push a little past the click to get it to shift (which often results in an annoying extra click which you then have to undo). If you tweak the adjuster to eradicate this, the shift in the other direction is affected. I've never got to the bottom of whether this is just normal with this groupset, or whether there's something slightly wrong with my setup. I've changed everything bar the rear shifter and the rear mech to address this (including the mech hanger) but with no joy. Like r0b1et says, maybe it's just not as refined as 105 etc. It may be that there's some genuine issue with my setup, or maybe that's just how Tiagra is. But hearing people speak of crisp, precise shifting with 105 and Ultegra makes me wish sometimes I'd spent the extra. (As an aside, fitting a new groupset is not especially difficult - in fact I found the fiddliest thing was wrapping the new bar tape once I'd done. I'd definitely recommend giving it a go.) is your cable to the rear mech guided and attached properly (on the correct side of the screw that tightens it to the mech)?
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