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Post by Radchenister on Feb 10, 2015 14:55:29 GMT
I've since been told that it's best to test it on the road with an exercise (and do some other types on other days) - will report back over time!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 16:15:14 GMT
Was just about to post that Rad.
Calculating max heart rate based on age minus xyz is not ideal. Your average HR over a 20 or 30 minute max effort will give a more accurate figure.
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Post by Radchenister on Feb 10, 2015 16:17:13 GMT
I've been given info on various ways - some of which will be my next route of study ... now I've given into HRM, we'll get into it properly, it's about the right time for me IMO.
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Post by r0b1et on Feb 10, 2015 16:30:29 GMT
Was just about to post that Rad. Calculating max heart rate based on age minus xyz is not ideal. Your average HR over a 20 or 30 minute max effort will give a more accurate figure. If achieving it over 20-30 minutes, it isn't anywhere near your max. Repeated hill climbs getting faster is supposedly a decent test, I manage a fraction higher going for a longish flat out sprint out of a quick moving group and work off that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 16:37:10 GMT
That would work as well but I'd rather (my own opinion) measure it as a rate I can sustain for a decent amount of time rather than a peak measurement.
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Post by Radchenister on Feb 10, 2015 16:38:49 GMT
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Post by r0b1et on Feb 10, 2015 16:40:49 GMT
same suspicion as Rad, LTHR is very different from MAX.
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Post by Rocket on Feb 10, 2015 17:58:03 GMT
Here is how I have found my maximum heart rate so far. Formulas are useless it is what it is for you and we are all different. Obtain the necessary kit to record heart rate on a ride and activate it before you set off. Find a nice long hill - about 3 miles is good. Ride up it as fast as you can whilst remaining seated. About half a mile from the summit get out of the saddle and sprint as hard as you can for the summit. Review your stats and you have your answer. I'm currently stuck at 193 BPM but can hold 170+ for well over half an hour. I don't know if this is any good for a 46 year old novice Would love to join Loweys 200 BPM club
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Post by Radchenister on Feb 10, 2015 18:38:53 GMT
I'm going to be doing a peak effort tomorrow on the flat for MHR and a LTHR exercise next week ... will report my findings when I've done them and if I think they're any good.
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Post by r0b1et on Feb 10, 2015 19:54:39 GMT
Here is how I have found my maximum heart rate so far. Formulas are useless it is what it is for you and we are all different. Obtain the necessary kit to record heart rate on a ride and activate it before you set off. Find a nice long hill - about 3 miles is good. Ride up it as fast as you can whilst remaining seated. About half a mile from the summit get out of the saddle and sprint as hard as you can for the summit. Review your stats and you have your answer. I'm currently stuck at 193 BPM but can hold 170+ for well over half an hour. I don't know if this is any good for a 46 year old novice Would love to join Loweys 200 BPM club It should go down, not up as you get fitter from what I've read, because you become more efficient.
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Post by Radchenister on Feb 10, 2015 20:06:51 GMT
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Post by Rocket on Feb 10, 2015 20:15:15 GMT
Heart rate would go down as you get fitter but only for the same power output. I'm trying to increase my output which is why heart rate is going up for me.
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Post by Radchenister on Feb 10, 2015 20:25:44 GMT
A true MHR should be that and won't fluctuate much I'm told, otherwise it's not been calculated right when done previously and may have been done on an off day (some have recommended 2 days rest before testing to me but I said no can do ... had all this on FB this afternoon) ... apparently, the LTHR is the reliable measure of oomph when in the zone and the one that endurance athletes bang on about, a mate of mine (one of the IM triathletes) gets his calculated and e-mailed to him automatically when it changes, all done via interpolation of all his stat's that he logs on the Training Peaks website.
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Post by Radchenister on Feb 10, 2015 20:30:23 GMT
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Post by Radchenister on Feb 11, 2015 14:11:22 GMT
Update on findings: Had my first dabble at tests today, decided that the damp, cold, misty stuff wasn't right to try and go explode my lungs on a max HR effort, as doubted I could do as well as on a balmy day, so that one can wait. Did opt to dabble with attempting to define an FTHR effort - via a 20-30 min warm up and then a 20 minute ish hard effort (wasn't sure where I would measure it exactly ... just thought do the local U7B TT route in among mine and see what happens on return). Turns out the return leg from the roundabout has a good measure, set up by the racer crew, that is circa 18 mins (with a duplicate for checking stat's) - that will suffice as my benchmark for now, it's a bit undulating but I figure that's OK if I measure it consistently and see how it pans out in relation to zones; I'll use that every few weeks when a hard flat effort is called for in my program. www.strava.com/activities/253408963/segments/5933527541As there's a plethora of info out there, suggest we use this guidance below as a datum for comparison (particularly the 20 minute test and power / hr threshold calculators, that can be accessed in this link: www.britishcycling.org.uk/insightzone/physical_preparation/planning_for_performance/article/izn20130107-Sportive-Dont-Miss-a-Beat-a%C2%80%C2%93-Your-Guide-to-Heart-Rate-Monitors-0All good fun, although feel like I've turned into an accountant !
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