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Post by KiwiBeard on Nov 11, 2014 12:08:25 GMT
Out of the saddle for bursts at the end or to get some momentum going, in the saddle otherwise.
Sometimes you have to see to believe really. It happened to me, when I was riding about 20m behind another guy approaching the hill in Richmond Park. He got out of the saddle, but I was just as amazed as he was when I stayed in the saddle and not only caught him but overtook him.
But yeah, it comes down to your fitness really.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 13:06:46 GMT
I'm out the saddle all the time for hills, I could go for miles out the saddle with a slow grind with out fatiguing to much(or getting anywhere fast). I think my body type suits meandering up hills out the saddle. Also remember if out the saddle using different muscles then seated, then if you never out the saddle you never develop them and never get stronger. what I like doing was finding a hill run about 0.5-1 km long with about 5% rise...then sprint up it with everything you have have out the saddle...to the point were you feel dizzy,jelly legged and or sick at the end. a real out of puff job. then use that as you benchmark and keep trying it every week or other week. Let's have a bit of a reality check here, Mehran As Rads pointed out earlier, length of ride and terrain come into the equation. The length of a climb also comes into it. You maybe can stand up "all the time" if your biggest climb on Strava is 128 metres and have an average ride of 12 miles (longest 42m) but you might find you adopt a different climbing strategy if you tackle owt a bit more serious than what you are currently doing. Even Contador chooses his moments to get out of the saddle. Soz but your climbing strategy needed putting into context.
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Post by damo6 on Nov 11, 2014 13:12:17 GMT
I'm a 14 and a half stone lump and personally find getting out the saddle inefficient - I get hit by more of any cross/headwind and tend to lose my rhythm - Having started going up some of these top 200 climbs in the last few months I have been focusing on getting low gears early and spinning consistently - As Radchenister says if it ramps above 20% not really got much choice than to get out the saddle just to keep moving (and it also gives some much needed relief to your overworked muscles) but as soon as I feel I can sit down and regain rhythm I do. I've found on the club rides I can sit in a low gear and go from the back to the front of the group just spinning consistently while others mash around in a higher gear at a slower cadence. Works for me. If I am out on my own I am starting to hit smaller inclines with a higher gear than normal and sometimes just get out the saddle and crack on so I am widening my 'training' base. Hopefully this will make some of the hills I have planned for next year that little bit less painful
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Post by damo6 on Nov 11, 2014 13:17:56 GMT
I stay seated as much as possible. Only stand if gets really steep or at top of hill to power over the top. That's because your a west side of the A38 TT flat lands fiend as I recall
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Post by Paulinblack on Nov 11, 2014 13:20:02 GMT
I have a different technique - I trundle, gasp, blow, splutter, grimace, curse, cry and hope that it will get easier!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 13:28:23 GMT
I have a different technique - I trundle, gasp, blow, splutter, grimace, curse, cry and hope that it will get easier! If you stood up on occasions you'd be able to blow out of your arse as well as your mouth.
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Post by Radchenister on Nov 11, 2014 14:02:08 GMT
I stay seated as much as possible. Only stand if gets really steep or at top of hill to power over the top. That's because your a west side of the A38 TT flat lands fiend as I recall Nope, not strictly true - you obviously didn't witness the front end out of W-U-E when we last rode as a group, the lead two were 150 meters ahead of me at the top (they are in there 20's and 30's so I won't beat myself up about it lol) ... robertsims is good on the long solid gradient hills that average 6 - 8%, he's relatively light and powerful, he'll pull a good long incline like a train and gradually drops me as time goes on; give me some steeper or shorter stuff and I can blast them with him but on a long one he comes into his own. The only time I've ever got him feeling uncomfortable on hills was early summer when I'd got lighter and was riding loads (before workload got silly) and he was just getting over an illness. We all have different climbing characteristics, fitness and gradual weight loss (whilst maintaining power) is the way to improve. When you're a bit lighter you can get away with more time out the saddle as well - personally, must get the miles in and some weight off for Velothon Wales come June !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 14:18:27 GMT
...if your biggest climb on Strava is 128 metres and have an average ride of 12 miles (longest 42m) but you might find you adopt a different climbing strategy if you tackle owt a bit more serious than what you are currently doing. I'm just a newbie here but that doesn't really sound like a reply befitting "the friendliest forum on the internet" to me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 14:21:47 GMT
...if your biggest climb on Strava is 128 metres and have an average ride of 12 miles (longest 42m) but you might find you adopt a different climbing strategy if you tackle owt a bit more serious than what you are currently doing. I'm just a newbie here but that doesn't really sound like a reply befitting "the friendliest forum on the internet" to me. Whatever.... If you have come on here to stir things up please look elsewhere for your fun.
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Post by robertsims on Nov 11, 2014 14:45:01 GMT
I stay seated as much as possible. Only stand if gets really steep or at top of hill to power over the top. That's because your a west side of the A38 TT flat lands fiend as I recall Cheeky git! I like the hills of Wales the most and count myself as a climber more than a TT'er! As Radchenister pointed out in his kind defense of me I don't like the really steep stuff (20% plus) but get me on a long steady (7-12%) and I'm a happy boy!
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Post by Radchenister on Nov 11, 2014 14:46:02 GMT
Not unfriendly really @sirarthur, @davefy7 is a no nonsense northerner after all . I'm sure @davefy7 is just enforcing the point that I tried to make earlier for other people's benefit - in a 1 to 2 hr local ride I can try to beat my legs to pieces and not suffer leg burn out (the lungs and general will to live might fail a little at times perhaps though lol). I have been given some real beastings when following my far too mountain goat like (early 30's loony) ex GB triathlete mate; he takes me out on his 'challenges', where he purposely takes me to places he knows I won't like, I ride blind on where we're heading and he does it to force me to tackle things I might not do if left to my own devices ... like this: app.strava.com/activities/129955038 - note there were no stabbing pains in legs on this one, just hard graft, standing / sitting / blowing / swearing / wheels creaking / gears mashed etc. However, he really beat me up on this little jaunt - this is the one where stabbing pains started to really trouble me on the way back to Chepstow and I'd hit the wall well and truly on this one, limping home for the last section: app.strava.com/activities/137735746I think the advice here is offered in good faith and the 'reality check' was just that, a point that hopefully now hasn't been overlooked. Keep calm and carry on spinning folks !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 15:18:28 GMT
I stay seated as much as possible. Only stand if gets really steep or at top of hill to power over the top. Exactly the same for me, in the saddle spinning away as much as possible. If I do find my legs or shoulders get a tad stiff, I stand up for a couple of revolutions then sit back down again. I'll also adjust my fore and aft position in the saddle to work some different muscles.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 16:28:14 GMT
Anybody know what's happened with @sir Arthur ? He says on the Strava Triban Owners discussion that he's been banned?
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Post by Radchenister on Nov 11, 2014 17:36:56 GMT
He has and PM's are flying, I suggest people all take a time out, walk away from their PC's and try to resist the obvious onset of cabin fever - as a precaution, I should point out that I may lock this thread down for a short while if necessary; play nice now people.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 17:44:19 GMT
Anybody know what's happened with @sir Arthur ? He says on the Strava Triban Owners discussion that he's been banned? Yes. I've banned him. I had to moderate some info he posted a few weeks back and he's obviously trying to make things personal. I don't intend posting on here having a trouble maker scrutinizing my every word. If members have an issue with that I'll clear off as I don't tolerate internet trolls.
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