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Post by robertsims on Nov 3, 2014 10:36:43 GMT
Can see 80-90% of people just leaving - agreed ads would be much better way. Ah well
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Post by r0b1et on Nov 3, 2014 10:48:43 GMT
As a webmaster on my own game I've often wondered whether he gets donations, my web game has had 1 donation (for ~£6) in 18 months. His server costs must be astronomical (mine are >£300 pa and my site [http://stumpedgame.com] has less than 300 users).
I'll be paying as I like the data and I'm a major stats junkie, plus Ben deserves to have the odd pint on us.
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Post by r0b1et on Nov 3, 2014 10:49:44 GMT
Can see 80-90% of people just leaving - agreed ads would be much better way. Ah well I think I agree here, my game has ads (they pay very little, about 20% of the server cost) and paying members have them removed and "bonus features".
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Post by Radchenister on Nov 3, 2014 10:56:15 GMT
It's good to look at but i don't really look at it that much. Just logged in this morning for the first time in a month or two after reading this thread. I'm on about 97%, pretty pleased with that but can see myself paying. They highest I got my score up to was the mid 97s ... then the fast crews come through, often chain ganging ... or the local TT mobs smash the scores back a few clicks; unless I were to go for the skin suit / aero kit / rent robertsims as a lead-out man etc, specifically to go out and target segments, then I've maxed it out I reckon. The more minor segments around here will have several hundred people, some have a few thousand ... not much rope left in this one for me, so it's gone.
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Post by erictherat on Nov 3, 2014 11:25:49 GMT
oh well
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 12:21:32 GMT
It's good to look at but i don't really look at it that much. Just logged in this morning for the first time in a month or two after reading this thread. I'm on about 97%, pretty pleased with that but can see myself paying. They highest I got my score up to was the mid 97s ... then the fast crews come through, often chain ganging ... or the local TT mobs smash the scores back a few clicks; unless I were to go for the skin suit / aero kit / rent robertsims as a lead-out man etc, specifically to go out and target segments, then I've maxed it out I reckon. The more minor segments around here will have several hundred people, some have a few thousand ... not much rope left in this one for me, so it's gone. That is THE big problem with solo riders on the likes of Strava/Veloviewer. They are at a massive disadvantage when up against groups of riders helping each other out on the segs. I MIGHT start adopting a more relaxed style of riding and maybe take a flask out sometimes and have a few sarnies. Take in all the wild life and have a play with the camera. I'll see how it goes but dashing around like a blue arsed fly all the time gets a bit monotonous after a while.
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Post by Radchenister on Nov 3, 2014 13:05:30 GMT
One of our local ones about 2 miles from here (on this year's ToB route), fair play though, the locals take the top 5 places before the pros start kicking in, the day of the ToB isn't even in the top 10: www.strava.com/segments/1360121
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Post by damo6 on Nov 3, 2014 13:08:33 GMT
They highest I got my score up to was the mid 97s ... then the fast crews come through, often chain ganging ... or the local TT mobs smash the scores back a few clicks; unless I were to go for the skin suit / aero kit / rent robertsims as a lead-out man etc, specifically to go out and target segments, then I've maxed it out I reckon. The more minor segments around here will have several hundred people, some have a few thousand ... not much rope left in this one for me, so it's gone. That is THE big problem with solo riders on the likes of Strava/Veloviewer. They are at a massive disadvantage when up against groups of riders helping each other out on the segs. I MIGHT start adopting a more relaxed style of riding and maybe take a flask out sometimes and have a few sarnies. Take in all the wild life and have a play with the camera. I'll see how it goes but dashing around like a blue arsed fly all the time gets a bit monotonous after a while. I agree with what you are saying - I like having a good run out and pushing myself but am also finding I am enjoying the more social rides with the cafe stops and chat/banter on the way - Can push and test myself up any climbs we get to but then back to a relaxed ride with a few pics and cake at the stops of course Veloviewer is good but just like strava premium (on a months free trial again currently) I enjoy the stats but don't really feel I need them to enhance or improve my overall cycling experience - at the end of the day getting out and enjoying it is the main thing. Especially as I have categorically proved to myself this summer I am no speed demon TT'er or full on mountain goat - but I am sure God loves a trier
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 13:13:10 GMT
Exactly damo6. The pursuit of stats can become obsessive and take away some of the enjoyment of cycling in the great outdoors.
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Post by william39 on Nov 3, 2014 20:35:25 GMT
Never quite understood how it worked anyway and depended a lot on the area you were cycling in. I never got higher than 84 but probably due to the areas I have been cycling in having lots of pros about.
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Post by erictherat on Nov 3, 2014 21:55:45 GMT
my longer rides are pretty touristic. I love the countyside, and am lucky (well I chose) to live in the middle of loads of it. So I generally plod along at a comfortable pace.
I mix these in with my short 20k valley run, where I do push it on the two hills - then I feel I've got a sweat up and have had a proper ride.
I've never really seen myself as a racer, or seen cycling as a sporting activity... BUT
I've had a buzz seeing my times fall, and do find myself putting in effort to try and maintain that speed (damn you garmin). That said, my heart (or rather my lungs) aren't really in it.
so, as a recreational cyclist who enjoys being fit, i dont really need veloviewer to enjoy my rides, and cant really justify money out of family bidget to pay for it.
does make you think tho. interesting discussion about income for internet services. we do expect a lot for free these days, and a tenner is not much to ask, and is better that being bombarded by ads. But unfortunately I think others who forsee most users leaving are right. and as far as i understand exposure and hits are everythintg in internet land. so see a good project wilting.
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Post by r0b1et on Nov 4, 2014 0:01:20 GMT
and as far as i understand exposure and hits are everythintg in internet land. so see a good project wilting. Only really works if there is any viable monetisation though, veloviewer had essentially none. So killing of 99% of his users and gaining £10pa from the remaining 1% will be a vast increase in income.
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Post by Radchenister on Nov 4, 2014 1:35:25 GMT
I quit the Strava group today, there were a few thousand members. Take say 10 - 20%, that would give him a nice few K; hopefully he can find new recruits beyond that though or it's been killed off for a one off payment - without a critical mass of users, hardly anyone else will know or care about it, VV scores become an even more abstract measure of your ranking amongst people who have no idea they're part of the comparison set. It always has been an imaginary race amongst people who aren't always racing, now it will be made even more ephemeral, as it's going to be circled with a payment wall and entrance fee. Back into either the real world or real time stats on trainer road for me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 11:06:33 GMT
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Post by ChrisD on Nov 4, 2014 13:23:11 GMT
Having "progressed" from a VV score of 67.3 back at the start of May this year to 88.4 today I was really looking forward to seeing if I could move up into the 90s. To be honest viewing the change in my VV score after a ride has been a highlight of tracking my rides and I would miss it, whatever it does or doesn't mean in the fine detail. As someone who is a bit of a wuss on the descents it's nice to know that my flat and uphill efforts are the ones that count and it's the thing that encourages me to push harder than I otherwise might, especially on hills, as it captures a summary of my overall effort in a way that leaderboards on individual segments don't reveal. I like it for that reason, though I suspect I'm near to reaching my peak score while I'm still this side of 100kg and might feel differently when I reach the plateau. In the meantime I'm really grateful to folk on this forum to introducing me to this useful motivational tool. I know it's got its flaws but if it keeps me pedaling in a more determined way uphill then I'll take that. Unless I can find something that does a similar job (definitely open to suggestions - tried RITMO score - just made me weep!) I think I'm likely to stump up the subscription for the next 12 months. If I do, I hope leaving the VV data in my signature won't be taken as trying to drive a wedge between the haves and the have nots!
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