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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 9:35:16 GMT
OK, I'll give you more facts, as I've dug a bit deeper into why my buddy is anti - the frame he had was not great, things may have moved on but his flexed at the bottom bracket and through the rear triangle, to such an extent that the wheel rubbed on the frame ... he is obviously a little miffed by this ... I am reporting someone's views and experience; much of this has come when mentioning what I have been considering buying myself and is not based on the fact I'm arguing from an owner's position ( ), nothing to do with snobbery whatsoever as have them on my list of maybes. I am two minded now, I think they've likely got a good set up with the bikes you've bought but like I said earlier, best do research and have a test drive to make sure. It's odd because when I was researching the PX Pro I came across people saying more or less the same, but also an equal if not greater number of people saying they had no issues with flex at all. What frame did your friend have and how long ago did he buy it? All in all though unless the frame was made out of cheese I doubt I'm ever likely to put enough power through the bottom bracket to flex it and if I did I'm not a performance cyclist anyway so who cares.
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Post by Radchenister on Apr 2, 2014 9:49:21 GMT
Have a look on my Facebook, there's an old picture of him on the bike as his avatar - I have no clue what frame and when precisely, it's definitely not the frame you've got though ... if you do come down this way later in the year you'll likely meet him. Expect to be punished up hills if we ride with him though, as he's a full on midge like hill climber lol !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 9:56:34 GMT
Ah, the TT bike? Even stranger then - they are VERY popular (the Stealth and the Exocet) among triathletes so unless they're all doing something wrong I can't understand the complaint. Maybe he was just unlucky and got a duff frame? That or he's such a beast he'd have the same problem with anything but the very highest-end of frames.
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Post by Radchenister on Apr 2, 2014 10:01:45 GMT
It's not a recent bike I know that - you can discuss it with him; you won't make much head way there though in convincing him that he imagined it but bring your bike and he'll be able to compare !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 10:26:20 GMT
I don't doubt that his complaint was genuine - it's just that with them being so popular among triathletes and Time Trialists you'd expect to hear more similar stories and for them not to be so popular in the first place of course.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 12:21:02 GMT
There's a lot of crap that gets talked about PX and Ribble - mainly by bike snobs who can't fathom how they can sell a bike for nearer its true cost than closer to the cost of a high end motorbike. PS De Rosa clearly also pick their frames from catalogues as their 838 is identical to the Ribble Stealth and if anyone thinks their Dogma is actually made in Italy rather than just assembled there they're deluding themselves. I've seen the stealth and 838 side by side at the Lbs (Ribble was in for a service), the ribble didn't have some of the design nuances of the De Rosa (side on they look identical geometrically), but the designs of the rear triangles are completely different with De Rosa having a cut out section that wasn't there on the Ribble. The finish on the paint also didn't look quite as good, but that's by the by (could be De Rosa finishes theirs in Italy rather than the manufacturer). That's without going into lay ups as the Ribble or De Rosa may be made of the same carbon or not, but they are ever so slightly different. Again that raises questions as to whether they simply go to the same manufacturer with the manufacturer then able to use the design with other brands given copyright laws aren't as stringent as they are over here (something Xpace already seem to do with Planet X/other brands - Planet X have admitted as much themselves).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 12:31:25 GMT
There's a lot of crap that gets talked about PX and Ribble - mainly by bike snobs who can't fathom how they can sell a bike for nearer its true cost than closer to the cost of a high end motorbike. PS De Rosa clearly also pick their frames from catalogues as their 838 is identical to the Ribble Stealth and if anyone thinks their Dogma is actually made in Italy rather than just assembled there they're deluding themselves. I've seen the stealth and 838 side by side at the Lbs (Ribble was in for a service), the ribble didn't have some of the design nuances of the De Rosa (side on they look identical geometrically), but the designs of the rear triangles are completely different with De Rosa having a cut out section that wasn't there on the Ribble. The finish on the paint also didn't look quite as good, but that's by the by (could be De Rosa finishes theirs in Italy rather than the manufacturer). That's without going into lay ups as the Ribble or De Rosa may be made of the same carbon or not, but they are ever so slightly different. Again that raises questions as to whether they simply go to the same manufacturer with the manufacturer then able to use the design with other brands given copyright laws aren't as stringent as they are over here (something Xpace already seem to do with Planet X/other brands - Planet X have admitted as much themselves). Indeed - the point being though that the often touted 'they just choose the frame from a catalogue' is neither always accurate or necessarily a bad thing. I had a similar 'discussion' with someone on the road.cc FB page about the Mach frame (may have been the Ultra). He was saying it was a generic Chinese frame from a catalogue. I had to point out firstly that it wasn't and secondly even if it was what is so intrinsically bad about that?
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Post by Radchenister on Apr 2, 2014 13:04:38 GMT
Time to show you some of this! ---- Design and development folks in the workshop: ---- Lab type folks: Deformation testing: Testing machinery: Frame mock up in plastic: Full carbon? Nope, half a carbon !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 13:08:39 GMT
The plastic one must be the one they're selling via catalogue to Planet X.
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Post by stevo on Apr 2, 2014 15:58:21 GMT
Never thought I would see the day we get 'bike snobbery' on here! ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 17:40:41 GMT
Never thought I would see the day we get 'bike snobbery' on here! ;-) Nah, I don't think it's snobbery on here. Just people who have done their research expressing experiences and opinions - just as I'm doing as an owner of one of the bikes in question.
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