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Post by Radchenister on Mar 27, 2014 13:03:06 GMT
On a more serious note - if it was that horrible overly loose gritty top coat stuff, then that stuff is evil ... like riding on a gravel drive (which we have here), if you don't get exactly in a compacted spot your chances of staying on are pretty slim.
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Post by Radchenister on Mar 27, 2014 13:13:59 GMT
Glad you're alright Dave! Sounds like a nasty fall. Not sure why people wouldn't wear one when you hear stuff like this. To summarise the points and hopefully avoid an uninformed re-run of every helmet thread on the internet. The crux of the matter comes down to the legalities of use, not the practical aspects and facts around using them ... the car driving majority and desk piloting clerks in Whitehall will have it made law at the drop of a hat (pun intended) if we're not careful. A key point here is that the insurance company lawyers would want to use it as a defence if someone splats you with a car, so the arguments against COMPULSORY wearing are to avoid that. I wear a helmet for cycling my road bike properly at all times but if I roll to the bus stop to collect my son, I don't want to be stopped and ticketed for riding at 6 mph if I choose not to in this instance . Riding on a road bike at pace warrants using one for the very issues highlighted here, or even applies at moderate paced cycling, ambling along on an Amsterdam style footpath at just over walking pace is a different story; evidence suggests that this doesn't necessarily warrant wearing a helmet. Holland is used to demonstrate this often, statistically the helmet achieves less than people might imagine and what's clear is that education, traffic design and courtesy amongst users is important. It makes sense to be cautious of course but the real world statistics for compulsory use, as in Australia and New Zealand, meant a fall in cycling take up and this likely counteracts any perceived safety improvements by worse overall general health in the population. On here, it's fair to say that the type of riding we do does likely warrant wearing a helmet, how good that helmet is and to what degree it will help you is up for debate - see the research in the link below. Last point, a helmet will not stop you crashing or make you invincible - sadly statistics even suggest that drivers will pass closer to someone wearing a helmet. www.cyclehelmets.org/1080.html
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 13:18:05 GMT
Blimey, what a horrid start to the day. Wishing you a swift convalescence... I reckon you'll be waking up tomorrow about as flexible as concrete.
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Post by lowey on Mar 27, 2014 13:18:11 GMT
Bad luck Dave, glad you are okay.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 13:20:19 GMT
Cheers lads. I've just had a closer look at the helmet. There are cracks all down the left hand side. The outer skin holds it all nicely in place. I'll post a piccie up in a mo.
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Post by baz on Mar 27, 2014 13:25:54 GMT
Sry to hear Dave but glad your ok
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Post by Radchenister on Mar 27, 2014 13:26:34 GMT
Now that is an interesting topic - what actually happens to crash helmets in crashes!
I have seen one friend split a MTB one and this is a subject close to my heart for a more sad reason; I lost a friend a decade ago who left two young sons behind. He bounced off a horse box on his motorbike wearing a full race Arai crash helmet, he walked into A&E, they kept him in for observation, he slipped into a coma and died a few days later ... his brain sloshed inside his skull due to the forces involved, even though the helmet did its job.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 13:34:27 GMT
Here you go..... The cracks are indicated by the red arrows.
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Post by phred1812 on Mar 27, 2014 14:10:30 GMT
Ouch. I hope you are feeling OK now Dave
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Post by mike54321 on Mar 27, 2014 14:33:20 GMT
Take it easy Dave. Concussion's a hot topic in rugby at the moment, hope you have a return to safe cycling very soon.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 16:04:36 GMT
Thanks Mike. Lots of useful guidance on that site. I'll be taking it easy for a few days and take it from there.
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Post by Radchenister on Mar 27, 2014 16:09:57 GMT
How's the bike @davefy7 ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 16:42:45 GMT
For what it's worth I was bumped into the curb last week, also a mile from home. The woman car driver who stopped (not the culprit) reckoned I landed on my head, certainly felt like it. Helmet took the brunt while I was left with a slight lump and grogginess. As Rad's experience shows, who knows how these falls can turn out. Glad I was wearing mine though
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 16:43:08 GMT
Just what I was asking myself when I was led on the roadside, Rads. One of the car drivers picked it up. I've had a look and can't believe the lack of damage. Both shifters are a bit scuffed on the plastic surrounds (pt 3) and a nameplate (pt 2) is missing so I'll have to order one. Apart from that I think all is well, thankfully. www.wiggle.co.uk/shimano-st-6700-ultregra-sti-name-plates/Part 2 on the left hand shifter needed. Part 3 on both slightly scuffed.
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Post by Radchenister on Mar 27, 2014 17:08:11 GMT
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